1st Amendment - Redress of Grievances (Congress, Iraq, illegal, attorneys)
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [/I]
I have been following the trial of First Lt. Ehren Watada and wonder what people think about this obstruction of the 1st amendment:
If you are unfamiliar with the case, here is some background written by a journalist following the case:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [/I]
[i]I have been following the trial of First Lt. Ehren Watada and wonder what people think about this obstruction of the 1st amendment:
If you are unfamiliar with the case, here is some background written by a journalist following the case:
I have to check that site more often. I read one poster (and have signed Patriot Act forms) in triplicate----we have to wonder----wtf is all this data going??????And what is the difference between this and a dictatorship.
It troubles me enormously. I wish more people would realize how our rights are being eroded.
You are a buddy!
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Originally Posted by sunnyhelena
I have to check that site more often. I read one poster (and have signed Patriot Act forms) in triplicate----we have to wonder----wtf is all this data going??????And what is the difference between this and a dictatorship.
I never cease to be amazed at the ignorance is bliss attitude- from the MOST poor- it is sad- but they are the ones who voted for Dubya--- I did see protestors against Irag in front of Target last week- (Near an army recruit station)
Amazing, protesters in front of a recruiting station and Targets. Maybe there is still hope for sanity!
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Originally Posted by sunnyhelena
I never cease to be amazed at the ignorance is bliss attitude- from the MOST poor- it is sad- but they are the ones who voted for Dubya--- I did see protestors against Irag in front of Target last week- (Near an army recruit station)
lol- yeah people are catching on. It is sad. Many here (who live in more rural areas) have lost their sons and daughters. It is a sad state- Isnt this war like Vietnam?
It does feel like Vietnam in many ways. But now we have a man in office who won't listen. Even 37 had the capacity to listen (aka Nixon)!
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Originally Posted by sunnyhelena
lol- yeah people are catching on. It is sad. Many here (who live in more rural areas) have lost their sons and daughters. It is a sad state- Isnt this war like Vietnam?
Watada is a COWARD! As an officer he can choose to not follow an "unlawful" order; such as being told to shoot an unarmed prisoner for not answering questions. Just because he THINKs the war is unlawful is NOT a good reason to not go be with the rest of his men that he is responsible for. He left them exsposed. You do not need to debate it, it has not been decared illegal by a court, regardless how you feel. The uniform military code overrides his civilian feelings. The 1st amendment should be changed. many libs want to rewrite the 2nd. Lets start at the top.LOL
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [/I]
I have been following the trial of First Lt. Ehren Watada and wonder what people think about this obstruction of the 1st amendment:
If you are unfamiliar with the case, here is some background written by a journalist following the case:
Lt. Watada is subject to the UCMJ. His right to redress isn't the same as a civilian. His channel to petition is his chain of command, which he circumvented.
It may appear like a black and white situation to you, FFHD, or cowardice to others, but the Lt. enlisted to fight in the Afghani war--a war began in response to attack on US shores.
He continues to state he will fight in that War.
Several constitutional attorneys, quite good ones, believe that the 1st is being tossed to the winds, so to speak, but the Judge's unwillingness to hear any testimony on behalf of the defendant makes it difficult for this to be fairly debated.
The other major issue for the defense is the Lt.'s claim that "The war in Iraq violates our democratic system of checks and balances."
Here is an overview at Common Dreams newsletter taken from the American Statemen (Texas).
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