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Old 09-14-2008, 01:32 PM
 
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I'm thinking he would be a cross between Al Gore and Russ Feingold (senator from Wisconsin) in terms of policy, personality, and overall temperment. Oratory-wise, throw in a little Barack Obama.

What do you think?
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:32 PM
 
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There have been, since Lincoln, less than a dozen policians who were able to speak off the cuff or write on railroad napkins in a manner worthy of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations. Bill Clinton was one of them. Eisenhower probably could have, but I don't think he did much. A couple of recent senators who could were Dale Bumpers and Robert Byrd, maybe Tip O'Neill and Patrick Moynihan. But really, nobody in the Lincoln class in the TV era.

All things taken into account, Jimmy Carter probably came closer to Lincoln in integrity and intellect, and presence of mind, than anybody else in our lifetimes.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:37 PM
 
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None. Lincoln would be appalled by todays politicians and their petty theatrics.
To compare Lincoln to Carter is an insult to the great mans memory. The only thing great about Carter was his capacity to sell us out every chance he got. He was the great give away president. The exact opposite of JFK.
Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can to for your country.. This is why todays democrats are not the democrats that were once great.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:46 PM
 
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None. Lincoln would be appalled by todays politicians and their petty theatrics.
To compare Lincoln to Carter is an insult to the great mans memory. The only thing great about Carter was his capacity to sell us out every chance he got. He was the great give away president. The exact opposite of JFK.
Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can to for your country.. This is why todays democrats are not the democrats that were once great.

JFK was also called a "Marxist" and a "communist" by his critics on the right all throughout his presidency, so you'd be saying the same thing about Kennedy that you do the other Democrats if he were alive today.

But I do agree on the Carter/Lincoln comparison though. Lincoln was a strong, powerful, dynamic force. Carter came across as a weakling and lacked Lincoln's grace.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:53 PM
 
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JFK was also called a "Marxist" and a "communist" by his critics on the right all throughout his presidency, so you'd be saying the same thing about Kennedy that you do the other Democrats if he were alive today.

But I do agree on the Carter/Lincoln comparison though. Lincoln was a strong, powerful, dynamic force. Carter came across as a weakling and lacked Lincoln's grace.
Actually I respect what JFK stood for. His questionable sexdrive aside.
Marxist? Communist? JFK? Not in the same sentence.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:59 PM
 
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Actually I respect what JFK stood for. His questionable sexdrive aside.
Marxist? Communist? JFK? Not in the same sentence.

Tell that to the right-wing kooks who hated JFK, and thought he was the second coming of Karl Marx and Vladmir Lenin and wanted to instill communism in America.


http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/images/jfk_24_flyer2.jpg (broken link)



And this:

http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/images/jfk_24_flyer1.jpg (broken link)


The right hated JFK just like they hated Bill Clinton in the 1990s
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:13 PM
 
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Well I hated Bill Clintons blatent disregard for his soldiers, marines and sailors. Disragard? No disrespect. He had none for us who served and made no effort to hide it. He was not my kind president but I give him his due. The man could give a speech. I also must say he has lousy taste in women.
He had strengths. He found ways to work with both parties even though one was hostile towards him.
By the way Lincoln would be revolted by Gore. The man is a borderline lunatic.
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:32 PM
 
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By the way Lincoln would be revolted by Gore. The man is a borderline lunatic.
So was LIncoln. If Lincoln were president today, he would be under psychiatric care and/or heavy medications, and probably removed from office because of it:

Lincoln's Great Depression
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:33 PM
 
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I'm thinking he would be a cross between Al Gore and Russ Feingold (senator from Wisconsin) in terms of policy, personality, and overall temperment. Oratory-wise, throw in a little Barack Obama.

What do you think?
George Bush in terms of disregard for our liberty. Lincoln had no problem with denying habeas corpus, censoring the press, tapping telegraphs, and jailing editors and US representatives.
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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George Bush in terms of disregard for our liberty. Lincoln had no problem with denying habeas corpus, censoring the press, tapping telegraphs, and jailing editors and US representatives.

Yes, but Lincoln's enemy in his fight were the conservatives of his day, "states rights" Southern white males. Bush's fight was with the liberal media and, arguably, "Islamo-fascism".

The fundamental players in the fights were totally different, and so the comparison is not valid. Lincoln was also anti-war from his days in the Illinois legistlature, speaking out against the Mexican-American War.

Bush and Lincoln have nothing in common.
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