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View Poll Results: Worst American President ever.... poll
George W. Bush 97 50.26%
Other (Please explain) 96 49.74%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-17-2008, 04:55 AM
 
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Gotta go with FDR, for the reasons previously stated, followed closely by Carter.
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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George W. Bush has infringed upon Americans' rights to individual privacy. His administration has single-handedly become the representation of everything the world hates about America - imperialistically imposing our ideals on the rest of the world without a second thought what other "lesser" countries think about it. We have squandered God knows how much on this pointless war and Bush is a war criminal responsible for the murder of millions of Iraqis. Let's not forget violating international norms in torturing suspected terrorists. Hmm...what else...he greatly expanded the size of the federal government (i.e. Department of Education) despite a campaign platform based around non-interventionism and small government. He has continually refused to listen to Americans' common interests when creating policy and instead backs corporations. There is also the obvious problem that this leader of the free world got to where he is solely because of his father. Who else would have thought twice about a failed businessman who snorted coke and made bad grades in a college he wouldn't have gotten into without his name?

Sure there are plenty of Presidents who in hindsight did some horrible things. But at least FDR had Americans' interests at heart when creating Social Security, despite its shortcomings. Bush has been and always will be about himself and his personal agenda (or maybe Cheney's). Neoconservatism is the worst plague brought onto this country since slavery. Since when did religion-based policy and the forceful expansion of democracy in lieu of taking care of Americans become logical?
Well, I have to disagree with you that neoconservatism is worse than socialism. I'm not fond of either, but at least we can repeal the patriot act, outlaw all forms of torture, etc. Our modern version of socialism, however, is not so easily fixed. We can't simply end social security (and similar collectivist programs) without destroying the lives of millions of Americans. Despite the fact that the programs were flawed from start and are now completely broken, there's not much we can do about it. So to speak, to cure the disease is to kill the patient. Bush administration policies (and really, I'm talking about specific items here, not his entire presidency) may have made life worse for the length of tenure (or until they are reversed), but FDR, no matter what he may have thought he was doing, poisoned the well of American democracy.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:10 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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George W. Bush has infringed upon Americans' rights to individual privacy.
When? How? There is no truth in this.

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His administration has single-handedly become the representation of everything the world hates about America - imperialistically imposing our ideals on the rest of the world without a second thought what other "lesser" countries think about it.
Again, simply not true. Most of the world does not "hate Americia". Else, why would so many want to come here? This is an idea put forth by Democrats, but it simply isn't true.

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We have squandered God knows how much on this pointless war
Pointless? We have been kept safe from another attack for 7 years, Iraq is free from and evil dictator and no longer a threat to the world, the Iraqi's are grateful (according to our service men and women who have been serving there) and we can now claim victory.
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and Bush is a war criminal responsible for the murder of millions of Iraqis.
Oh please. You're reading too much of the "Daily Kos" and the other liberal rag radical leftist blogs who have taken over your Party.

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Let's not forget violating international norms in torturing suspected terrorists.
Another lie. Do you have any original thoughts?
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Hmm...what else...he greatly expanded the size of the federal government
Well, okay, I'll give you that one, but you, being a leftist, are supposed to like more government, aren't you?
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...(i.e. Department of Education) despite a campaign platform based around non-interventionism and small government. He has continually refused to listen to Americans' common interests when creating policy and instead backs corporations.
I want a President who "backs corporations", not seeing business as evil, as the Democrat Party does. Business and entrepreneurship are what America is all about.
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There is also the obvious problem that this leader of the free world got to where he is solely because of his father.
Another cliche.

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Who else would have thought twice about a failed businessman who snorted coke and made bad grades in a college
Oh, yeah? Where did you get this from, the Daily Kos?
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...he wouldn't have gotten into without his name?
He was also a highly successful Governor, and a former military pilot (the military does not make pilots out of people unless they are of higher than average IQ. I know this from my military training, as I qualified for the NAVCAD program, and this is what they told us).

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Sure there are plenty of Presidents who in hindsight did some horrible things. But at least FDR had Americans' interests at heart when creating Social Security, despite its shortcomings. Bush has been and always will be about himself and his personal agenda (or maybe Cheney's). Neoconservatism
Okay, that's it....you just said the magic word there...we know what you are all about.
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is the worst plague brought onto this country since slavery. Since when did religion-based policy and the forceful expansion of democracy in lieu of taking care of Americans become logical?
And "blah, blah, blah" Same old liberal garbage we get everywhere!
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Cheshire, UK
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Toss up between Jimma Carter and Al Gore.
Al Gore? Did I miss something. When was he ever president?
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Not a fault with Bush. These problems started with a relaxing of banking regulations back in the Clinton years, according to Robert B. Reich.

You're right. However, this legislation was championed by Phil Gramm who also was responsible for moving the oversight of oil commodities to the Department of Agriculture thus contributing to the 300% increase (July) in crude prices.

Bush had the opportunity to right this wrong. Robert Reich has been warning us about this even before it passed. Even though I am a Republican I feel Reich's views of economic policy are more in line with those of the GOP (pre-FDR), especially Theodore Roosevelt.

This moral hazard theory that has been popularly touted lately is a bunch of baloney. Totally unregulated activity has never existed anywhere in the real world except in Milton Friedman's written theories. Taken to the extreme unbridled free market capitalism negates our democratic structure of government. TR was wisely aware of this and was key in helping the US implement a new economic structure in the early part of the 20th century.

Unfortunately an American populace that was tired from the carnage of WWI welcomed in a pacifist, Woodrow Wilson, who had the delusional beliefs that an individualistic form of government would best benefit the collective interests of the nation. His naive, academic, philosophy contributed to the go go 20s that led up to the 1929 meltdown.

BTW, I am involved in building/remodeling as well (part-time). It has greatly contributed to having developed a solid personal financial position. If some of the rock star money movers had actually experienced creating something of true value then perhaps they would have taken greater care with the responsibility entrusted in them.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:19 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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Carter
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:20 AM
 
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When? How? There is no truth in this.

- Wiretapping = invasion of privacy, Patriot Act = invasion of privacy. I also didn't mention Bush's new powers to do whatever he wants with domestic "suspects."

Again, simply not true. Most of the world does not "hate Americia". Else, why would so many want to come here? This is an idea put forth by Democrats, but it simply isn't true.

- I didn't say the world hates America, I said Bush represents the things about America that the world hates, namely unchecked, forceful power.

Pointless? We have been kept safe from another attack for 7 years, Iraq is free from and evil dictator and no longer a threat to the world, the Iraqi's are grateful (according to our service men and women who have been serving there) and we can now claim victory.

- Invading Iraq did not keep us safe from terrorists. I will take back that the Iraq War was "pointless," but majorly flawed. Sure we can free every country in the world from their evil dictator but at what price?

Oh please. You're reading too much of the "Daily Kos" and the other liberal rag radical leftist blogs who have taken over your Party.

- Actually I have never read that website and I do not belong to any party, especially the Democratic one.

Another lie. Do you have any original thoughts?

- Yeah, okay, the whole condoned torture thing just didn't happen?

Well, okay, I'll give you that one, but you, being a leftist, are supposed to like more government, aren't you?

- I am not leftist.

He was also a highly successful Governor, and a former military pilot (the military does not make pilots out of people unless they are of higher than average IQ. I know this from my military training, as I qualified for the NAVCAD program, and this is what they told us).

- why do you think he was Gov? his daddy.

And "blah, blah, blah" Same old liberal garbage we get everywhere!

- i hate liberals too.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:23 AM
 
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Carter hands down!
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Far Western KY
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Jimmy Carter
FDR for starting welfare.
Clinton for leaving Bush a TRUE recession and not protecting us that led to 9/11.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:31 AM
 
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Nothing like making a poll and fixing it right from the start.

My pick

Jimmy Carter

Hands down
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