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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vise.
Some however are extremist who want to limit freedom and liberty at the hands of big government and you find them on the right and left.
I on the other hand believe in the constitution and limited government and must be extreme preserve what little freedom we do have left.
All right, I'll give you the compromise part but we're right back to the discussion we were having last night only this time I get to use your argument. Leaders give into it because that's what the American people want.
You're neglecting the implied portion of my argument: Then those who are responsible will suffer the consequences. Consequences are good.
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No matter how much free market, self regulating capitalists...
It has been a long time since you read Smith, eh?
Capitalism calls for intervention when the market takes a dump. (My believe is that Smith would have broke up the investment banks or not allowed them to exist in the first place.)
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Obviously, I did not understand a single sentence in any of the posts in which yu "regularly" explain.
Now I get it. If I don't understand you, it is my fault. If you don't understand me, it is my fault.
I don't like to ascribe responsibility for understanding to either party. I think it's counter-productive. If someone doesn't understand me, I try to explain if I can. If I can't explain it in a way that's understandable, that's life.
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I just went back and looked at some of your previius polsts. You justify your arguments with lines like "Because we have superior values".
One Thousand, what do you believe to be the chances/odds that your ideology is incorrect?... I mean your entire summation of political views, do you ever have any doubts?
Yes. I take a great deal of time and research when forming opinions. If you read me state something without any sense of insecurity, then you can take it to the bank that I'm right. However, if I state something without full commitment, you can bet that I'm not well researched on the subject and will openly admit it when asked.
In regard to capitalism, I'm certain of it's superiority to socialism to bring happiness to all people. The only advantage socialism can claim is caring for the less fortunate. However, capitalism calls for the same thing, so it's an argument advanced by those that haven't read the book.
Our founders were passionate about their belief in limited government. They believed that government should have only that power granted to it by the people, and established our Constitution spelling out those powers.
Today, in America, there are those who see government as the solution to every problem. They think government should control every aspect of our lives. These people are socialists ("progressive" is the modern day word for socialist).
We are engaged in a battle of ideas. The survival of our country (our liberty and freedom) are at stake. Those on the left want to take away our freedom. Those on the right seek to preserve it.
This is not "fanaticism". If one is not willing to take a stand for what he believes in, and defend our liberty, the socialists (who make their home in the Democrat Party) will take it from us.
Which side are you on? Will you defend liberty; or are you willing to give it up and let government run your life?
We have seen the result of socialism in the world. It fails every time.
I know which side I am on, and I'm not ashamed. I choose liberty and freedom, and I will defend it. I will speak my mind, whether you like it or not.
You bet I am a "warrior and soldier for [the] cause", as you put it.
Were it not for this kind of dedication, our founders would have failed, and there would have been no "United States of America".
This post is a great example of a redefinition of the word 'socialist'. This person doesn't seem to understand what was happening in the USA before about 1920. There was UNFETTERED CAPITALISM at work. (See the also the movie "There Will Be Blood" starring Daniel Day-Lewis.) There were no labor unions, there were no weekends, there was no Social Security, there was no Federal Reserve, there was no Federal insurance on banking deposits, etc. It was BIG CAPITAL and everyone else. This seems to be the world that this poster wants to return America to. But, you know what, it will never happen. This poster doesn't understand that BIG GOVERNMENT, meaning regulated capitalism, is better than UNFETTERED CAPITALISM. Why? Because the government is subject to the processes of democracy (that is, VOTE THEM OUT) and BIG CAPITAL is not. Understand the difference?
This post is a great example of a redefinition of the word 'socialist'.
Only a redefinition in response to the socialists' current activities. Progressive is synonymous with socialist.
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This person doesn't seem to understand what was happening in the USA before about 1920. There was UNFETTERED CAPITALISM at work.
That's a contradiction in terms. Capitalism implies fettering. You're referring to, perhaps, laissez faire.
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There were no labor unions
Which seek to enforce a de facto ownership by controlling the means of production... which is socialistic. In capitalism, what would happen would be those unhappy with their situation-- working for dirt wages-- would start their own business. If competing businesses tried to lock that person out, the government comes in and crushes the monopoly.
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there was no Social Security,
Which demonstrates the ultimate evil of socialism: Burdening future generations with the oppression of financing others. It's slavery and you're defending it?
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This poster doesn't understand that BIG GOVERNMENT, meaning regulated capitalism, is better than UNFETTERED CAPITALISM.
You are bastardizing the word "capitalism". You have no clue what you're talking about.
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Why? Because the government is subject to the processes of democracy (that is, VOTE THEM OUT) and BIG CAPITAL is not. Understand the difference?
I think you're very short-sighted. You support socialism (unions and SS are legs of socialism) and think government is free from unfair influence similar to what big business exercises? Have you ever heard of the AARP or the NEA? The only difference between your beliefs and those of the laissez faire crowd is who gets control: socialists or fascists?
Capitalism seeks to break anyone with unfair influence. It's the fairest system in existence.
You're already in the weeds as to your definitions. The latter is an economic system having no private sector, or practically none, that contributes to the nation's economic output. The former is an approach to the respective roles of the public and private sectors.
What America has going these days is a heck of a lot closer to fascism (that is, a totalitarianism of the right wing) than to socialism.
Unfettered capitalism means almost wholly unregulated capitalism.
Labor unions do not address ownership of the means of production. They exist to negotiate compensation terms with management.
When I listen to talk shows on the radio, or on TV...I hear so much anger all the time....All of the sarcasm and "hate" really makes me sick. How do you feel about it? I never want to become an extremist when it comes to politics, religion, or anything else in life.
Lately I've enjoyed listening to Karl Rove. He gives opinions on what any candidate should do or what he may be doing wrong. I'm thinking, dang man, don't give away the store.
Red/Blue, Dem/Rep...
He just calls 'em the way he sees 'em.
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