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Old 10-01-2008, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Nope, OP is correct. Finance bills have to originate in the House. Specifically, bills that appropriate federal funds, raise taxes, etc. PP explained it already. They are tacking this on to a non-finance bill so the Senate can vote on it first and put some pressure on the house. This is not the way it is supposed to be according to the Constitution. However, as Sen Coburn's speech this evening pointed out, they are so far beyond Constitutional boundaries already, this is just one more peg in the board.
He still voted for it. That's an admission of guilt.
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Old 10-01-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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He still voted for it. That's an admission of guilt.
Yeah, he said as much during the speech. I guess he should have ended with 'Do as I say, not as I do.'
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Old 10-01-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Yeah, he said as much during the speech. I guess he should have ended with 'Do as I say, not as I do.'
It's like hearing my parents tell me not to smoke pot when I was a teen.
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:19 PM
 
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Nope, OP is correct. Finance bills have to originate in the House. Specifically, bills that appropriate federal funds, raise taxes, etc. PP explained it already. They are tacking this on to a non-finance bill so the Senate can vote on it first and put some pressure on the house. This is not the way it is supposed to be according to the Constitution. However, as Sen Coburn's speech this evening pointed out, they are so far beyond Constitutional boundaries already, this is just one more peg in the board.
Well, thats the way the US government is supposed to work - and when was the last time THAT happened during this administration?
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:15 AM
 
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Well, thats the way the US government is supposed to work - and when was the last time THAT happened during this administration?
I don't know of a situation quite like this in any administration. I couldn't find another instance of the Senate voting first on an appropriations bill that was later passed by the House. Previously, if the Senate would try, the House would ignore the bill completely, effectively keeping the Senate 'in it's place'.

However, both sides are guilty of moving away from Constitutional directives, it has been going on for decades, not just 8 years.
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Boise
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good thing this is an election year
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:54 AM
 
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^ LOL....yeah, but who the heck are we going to vote for who will be any better??
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:22 PM
 
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I don't know of a situation quite like this in any administration. I couldn't find another instance of the Senate voting first on an appropriations bill that was later passed by the House. Previously, if the Senate would try, the House would ignore the bill completely, effectively keeping the Senate 'in it's place'.

However, both sides are guilty of moving away from Constitutional directives, it has been going on for decades, not just 8 years.
Well now the House has its chance to one-up the Senate, lets hope they do
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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So now that the House has passed this unconstitutional bill can we, as taxpayers, get together and start a class action suit against the law and have it repealed? I mean since the Senate put it together instead of the House?
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