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Why don't we switch the question around and see how Big Bad Mean Old Bear responds...oh wait, he never will!!! Anyway, why is that so many Republicans support the death penalty BUT not abortion??? Murder is murder, no matter who it is on, right Big Bear???
And for all of the pro-lifers, I still have yet to read a post about how you are helping create a solution???
No one has answered that portion of anything that I have said.
Someone please explain this paradox before the crazies come swooping down and hijack this thread...
Too late.....but nice try!
I've wondered the same thing myself, but I knew if the question was asked, it would only end up in liberal finger-pointing instead of people realizing their thought process was not rational.
Now if someone was going to abort a monkey or a whale....they would REALLY scream...so once again.....no real rational thought process and never a clear answer.
Why don't we switch the question around and see how Big Bad Mean Old Bear responds...oh wait, he never will!!! Anyway, why is that so many Republicans support the death penalty BUT not abortion??? Murder is murder, no matter who it is on, right Big Bear???
And for all of the pro-lifers, I still have yet to read a post about how you are helping create a solution???
No one has answered that portion of anything that I have said.
One is an innocent child....the other is a menace and burden to society.
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Originally Posted by dvcgal
Why don't we switch the question around and see how Big Bad Mean Old Bear responds...oh wait, he never will!!! Anyway, why is that so many Republicans support the death penalty BUT not abortion??? Murder is murder, no matter who it is on, right Big Bear???
And for all of the pro-lifers, I still have yet to read a post about how you are helping create a solution???
No one has answered that portion of anything that I have said.
Because they conveniently ignore the fact that murder is illegal, abortion is not.
Then again, looking at Republican Presidents like Nixon, Reagan, and G W Bush, it's obvious they consider themselves above and unbound by law.
Very true and this is why I'm pro-choice, why should the woman have to carry the rapist's child?
Here is the pro-life answer: Because it is a human life. But most pro-lifers are so hypocritical, that they have no problem with a flow-chart leading from a rapist's spem to the clinic's dumpster.
Why don't we switch the question around and see how Big Bad Mean Old Bear responds...oh wait, he never will!!! Anyway, why is that so many Republicans support the death penalty BUT not abortion??? Murder is murder, no matter who it is on, right Big Bear???
And for all of the pro-lifers, I still have yet to read a post about how you are helping create a solution???
No one has answered that portion of anything that I have said.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Well, they will say "These people are murderers" so they lost their right to live. However, the forget that many people are put on death row who are found to be innocent later. However, they think our justice system is way more flawless than it really is.
I personally understand both sides on abortion and the death penalty.
I don't value life because simply because it's life. I value innocent life.
Are you sure? From a typical Christian standpoint, the concept of a fetus as innocent life would appear to contravene the doctrine of original sin. Something carrrying the stain of unredeemed sin is not innocent. From a rationalist point of view, the whole concept of an innocent fetus is flawed. It implies that the fetus has capacities for choice. Choice that it can either be faulted for (guilt) or not faulted for (innocence). Fetuses actually have the same capacity for choice-making as does the gravel in a driveway. Would the concept of innocent gravel have meaning to you?
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That is an American value. Locke speaks of it in "Second Treatise of Government".
Locke is speaking in the passage you most likely refer to with reference to the circumstances of war. In the same section, he speaks of his right to destroy any who would threaten him with destruction. The words "unless it is a fetus" were not included.
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Why didn't you answer the question?
The question was merely a means of diversion from the point then at hand. This is an intellectually dishonest technique that I'm sure you are familiar with. The point was over dealing with reality or continuing to deny it. By rushing away into new and different topics, the poster illustrated without being willing to concede a choice to continue in denial. The post only took note of that fact.
To address the question, abortion is quite plainly a method of birth control. It has no other purpose but to bring a pregnancy -- sometimes normal and sometimes hopelessly compromised -- to a conclusion. No births have been known to occur subsequent to the successful performance of an abortion. The only question here is where within a woman's right not to be pregnant against her wishes this procedure best fits. As they are expensive, inconvenient, and generally unpleasant in any of their forms when compared perhaps to sitting on the couch and eating a package of Twinkies, nearly everyone puts abortion either at or near the very bottom of the list of options, but better than a million women per year reach it anyway. Sensible people ought to be working and talking about means to reduce the number of women who are forced to such levels, but some insist upon taking an exactly opposite approach. These people are difficult to fathom.
Nobody has ever presented any convincing evidence that there is a benefit to our society by either executing or not executing criminals. In the absence of any convincing evidence, I have concluded that:
Pro-capital punishment advocates are motivated entiresly by revenge
Anti-capital punishment advocates are motivated entirely by compassion.
Everyone on both sides rationalizes data and evidence to suit their own inclinations.
One is an innocent child....the other is a menace and burden to society.
A fetus is not a child.
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