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Old 10-05-2008, 09:04 PM
 
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Before the beginning of the 9th week after fertilization, it is not considered a 'fetus' by a doctor or scientist. Look it up.

Fetus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 10-05-2008, 09:05 PM
 
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You'll hear it's only so big. Millimeters long makes it not viable. However if they were born height challenged is given protective status.
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:06 PM
 
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Before the beginning of the 9th week after fertilization, it is not considered a 'fetus'. Look it up.

Fetus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unless your drunk and kill a pregnant woman. Then you get charged with murder for two.
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:07 PM
 
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Unless your drunk and kill a pregnant woman. Then you get charged with murder for two.

Depends on the state:
Feticide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anything else I can help you out with?
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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Depends on the state:
Feticide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Image:Map of US, feticide laws.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nahh I'm good.
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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No empiricial evidence?? Try a biology book or more specifically, read the most widely used textbook on human embryology, The Developing Human and you'll see that life begins at conception and a fetus is a living human being in the embryonic stage. The adult that you are today is the same human being who, at an earlier stage of my life, was an adolescent, and before that a child, an infant, a fetus and an embryo. Even in the embryonic stage, you were a whole, living member of the species Homo sapiens. You were then, as you are now, a distinct and complete -- though, of course, immature -- human organism. The big difference b/t a man on death row and an unborn child is that at least that man got a trial and was deemed guilty of a heinous crime. The only crime of an unborn baby is his or her poor timing, of which she had no control over!
Who is the author of this so called 'credible' book. What is their religious affiliation. What are their sources. How did they gather their information. What are their credentials. How does it even talk about how a fetus is an actual living human being, not a clump of cells that has the potential to become a human being. Are they affiliated with any pro life organizations.
Your claims are merely based on emotive opinions though. A living human being has conciousness and can make moral decisions. A fetus doesn't even develop conciousness until often later in the pregnancy. Also, what biology book shall I look at to gather this so called evidence, one by one of those Creationists with a phd in theology talking like they know everything no doubt.
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:48 PM
 
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PBS was not good enough?
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Old 10-05-2008, 10:17 PM
 
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Who is the author of this so called 'credible' book. What is their religious affiliation. What are their sources. How did they gather their information. What are their credentials. How does it even talk about how a fetus is an actual living human being, not a clump of cells that has the potential to become a human being. Are they affiliated with any pro life organizations.
Your claims are merely based on emotive opinions though. A living human being has conciousness and can make moral decisions. A fetus doesn't even develop conciousness until often later in the pregnancy. Also, what biology book shall I look at to gather this so called evidence, one by one of those Creationists with a phd in theology talking like they know everything no doubt.
By
Keith Moore, BA, MSc, PhD, FIAC, FRSM, Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario; Visiting Professor of Clinical Anatomy, Department of Human Anatomy and Cell Science, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
T. V. N. Persaud, MD, PhD, DSc, FRC Path(Lond), Professor and Former Head, Department of Human Anatomy and Cell Science, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences, University of Manitoba, Faculty of Medicine; Consultant in Pathology and Clinical Genetics, Health Sciences Centre, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

I am not aware of the authors religious affiliation, but this book in used in medical schools. Even if the authors did have a religious affiliation, does that make their research irrelevant just b/c of a belief in a higher power?

Even Alan Guttmacher, the former president of Planned Parenthood stated that life begins at conception.

At what point then do you feel comforable labeling them human beings b/c newborns can't make moral decisions and are completely oblivious to their surroundings for several weeks after birth- can we kill them too? And what about when a person is in a coma- is he or she still a human being??

A human is a human being not based on any other criteria other than having been concieved of by two human parents! Our abilities or lack thereof, our location, our degree of dependency, etc., does not determine our humanity- our parents do!
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Old 10-05-2008, 10:23 PM
 
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The systematic destruction of religious beliefs. It's the one understanding that is needed for total domination. You can't control religion which means you can't control the people.

Religion calls for man to be weary of controlling life. Abortion throws that in the garbage.
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Old 10-05-2008, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Even Alan Guttmacher, the former president of Planned Parenthood stated that life begins at conception.

Give it a rest! To be 'conceived' by definition means that a distinct new organism is ALIVE! A sperm cell is ALIVE! The question is whether a zygote or blastocyst, etc is a "human being." That all depends on how you define "human" which is a philosophical question.

You don't even understand what you're trying to say because your opinions and thoughts on this subject matter are ENTIRELY PROGRAMMED!

Do you still think that a 6-week old embryo is a FETUS? Back to the drawing board for you!
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