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Old 10-02-2008, 02:04 AM
 
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The Constitution requires that the House vote first on spending bills, but the Senate just voted first. The Senate has voted to spend money it does not have to give the executive branch powers it cannot safely be given -- all in order to dump OUR money on a bunch of billionaire bankers, all motivated by a bunch of fear-mongering lies and the legalized bribery of campaign contributions.

only 1/3 of the senators who voted are up for reelection, while most of the house members are up for reelection. here is a list of the senators who voted for the bailout:
YEAs ---74
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:14 AM
 
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Sorry but most people don't understand this everyone will hurt by this. Small buiness will go down and all companies will be forced to down size this isnt a bailout just for them this is a bailout for us as well.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:21 AM
 
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Sorry but most people don't understand this everyone will hurt by this. Small buiness will go down and all companies will be forced to down size this isnt a bailout just for them this is a bailout for us as well.
are you actually trusting the people who led us to this situation to make the decision? the economy will not go down overnight, as we saw the day after the bailout failed, and there are other options. why wouldn't they consider other options? why wasn't the public informed over a month ago when they had this on the table? why are they still spending like drunk sailors?
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:30 AM
 
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I am trusting the people you and me elected

This econemey was Bushes fault and the republicans alone they had 6 years of full power and they didnt get done the basics. They have taken a 180 on the regulation position, it is becoming ridiculous how bad they have been.

All the experts say yes Both candidates say yes, I look at the econmey and realize how much of a web the bank has made and i say yes.

It did went down over night Americans lost 1 trillion dollars on one day biggest loss of points, a couple weeks ago it went down 500 points twice. This is very real, you have a choice to hide from it and say it doesn't exist or do something about it.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:36 AM
 
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I am trusting the people you and me elected

This econemey was Bushes fault and the republicans alone they had 6 years of full power and they didnt get done the basics. They have taken a 180 on the regulation position, it is becoming ridiculous how bad they have been.

All the experts say yes Both candidates say yes, I look at the econmey and realize how much of a web the bank has made and i say yes.

It did went down over night Americans lost 1 trillion dollars on one day biggest loss of points, a couple weeks ago it went down 500 points twice. This is very real, you have a choice to hide from it and say it doesn't exist or do something about it.
the democrats had 2 years and did nothing as well. our country can recover. how does going into further debt not just delay the inevitable? you have to fix the core problem or generate more income. if this is a stop-gap measure, which they have said that it is, why don't they spend the money on the permanent fix. they will ask for more money then for the solution.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:53 AM
 
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all that really needs to happen here is the threat of an impeachment. the house can still vote against the bill! they bring it back to the table, rework it, explain it to the american people with economists not related to the stock market itself, (since it clearly was a mistake to put a CEO of goldman sachs as the head of the treasury and then have goldman sachs be part of the bailout) and then follow the constitution instead of sneaking something by us. all the candidates worry about now is reelection and since only 1/3 of the senate is up for reelection they have nothing to stop them from doing whatever they choose.
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:07 AM
 
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The Senate was able to go first because they used a bill that was already passed by the House of Representatives on another issue as a base.
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:13 AM
 
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The Senate was able to go first because they used a bill that was already passed by the House of Representatives on another issue as a base.
they went first to build momentum.
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Constitution requires that the House vote first on spending bills, but the Senate just voted first.
You might want to read it again a little closer. The US Constitution says no such thing.

It does say that "All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Revenues are taxes, but regardless, it just says they have to originate in the House, not be voted on in the House first.

This is an appropriation bill, not a revenue bill.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Any progressive measures initiated by the Democrats in the last session have been blocked by the Republican minority to make the Democrats seem ineffective. When we get a clear veto proof majority with a Democratic president this election the country will see some progress. Finally.
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