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Old 07-19-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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I would really like to live in a country that provided the basics for all of its citizens with a system of countervailing tariffs and a highly progressive income tax on the top 10% of incomes. I would like to see a country that refuses to use military force to protect foreign owned and managed petroleum companies. I would like to live in a country that used its own resources to create an individual and small business friendly economy while heavily suppressing national and international monopolies.

Yeah, I would like to see a truly progressive socialist nation with real opportunity for all, not just the privileged few created by a corporatist friendly politics and the advantage of inherited wealth.
Why not quit talking about it and actually renounce your citizenship and relocate to one of the socialist paradises you dream of?
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Not if Obama get elected.
How so? Making broad statements without any facts is nothing more than speculating, or worse fear mongering and the posters here (except of those that already believe the same ridiculous statements) are far too smart to fall for it.
Casper
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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We become the USSA (UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA) tommorrow - goodbye America!
And how long have people been declaring that? Since many decades ago when President Roosevelt got Social Security started?
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I know you have me on ignore, but this is so the rest can see you are living in a pipe dream. Nobody who is against Socialism is asking the Federal Government to create anything. They are telling them to BACK OFF so things can improve. The Govt. CAN NOT create any jobs but GOVERNMENT jobs! That IS Socialist, what the Govt. CAN do is make the business environment more friendly to do business.
But people in some cities have to go to the polls and vote higher taxes upon themselves in order to raise up or improve a huge arena to keep or attract private sports teams. How do you like that to make government get bigger?
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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I agree .. it takes a boatload of money to become socialist .. this country is in hock up to it's eyebrows, and what social programs we do have, will fade away as budgets get cut, and as there is less money to throw around.

It's simple math:

No money = No Socialism
Fake money = Socialism.
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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You already have universal schools and universal fire departments...... And worst of all public libraries! and welfare for the poor!

AND IT'S ALL RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT

This must mean you are already a socialist country
Yep, we are! We're just "socializing" the wrong people. We've been socializing the debt of corporations ( corporate welfare ) and our on-going war machine for the last 30 yrs with no end in sight...
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:13 AM
 
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I would really like to live in a country that provided the basics for all of its citizens with a system of countervailing tariffs and a highly progressive income tax on the top 10% of incomes. I would like to see a country that refuses to use military force to protect foreign owned and managed petroleum companies. I would like to live in a country that used its own resources to create an individual and small business friendly economy while heavily suppressing national and international monopolies.

Yeah, I would like to see a truly progressive socialist nation with real opportunity for all, not just the privileged few created by a corporatist friendly politics and the advantage of inherited wealth.
Greece comes to mind.

When this happens, the top 10% flee to more capitalist-friendly environments and create their jobs there. I guess a population of all poor people is better than a population where those who can achieve are rich and the underachievers are poor. huh?
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Greece comes to mind.

When this happens, the top 10% flee to more capitalist-friendly environments and create their jobs there. I guess a population of all poor people is better than a population where those who can achieve are rich and the underachievers are poor. huh?
Yeah, we've been getting a *REAL* good look at all those jobs being created with the capitalist-friendly tax cuts the last 120+ consecutive months they've had all those tax cuts, haven't we?

Yes, the US immediately comes to mind when we speak of failed capitalism, and no, we're living in a system where if you're rich, you're SO well-off, whereas if you actually work for a living, you get the shaft.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:26 AM
 
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Yeah, we've been getting a *REAL* good look at all those jobs being created with the capitalist-friendly tax cuts the last 120+ consecutive months they've had all those tax cuts, haven't we?

Yes, the US immediately comes to mind when we speak of failed capitalism, and no, we're living in a system where if you're rich, you're SO well-off, whereas if you actually work for a living, you get the shaft.
and you get the shaft from whom?

i don't see america as a failed capitalist society. we have problems-like every other country right now, mostly because of debt levels( and failure to acknowledge them), not capitalism. china's standard of living is rising because of capitalism (not that they don't have problems also).

seriously, look at all the countries with bigger government and ask if you would prefer to live there. for everyone, it seems that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

it reminds me of a tenant i had who left, and then begged to come back because the new landlords were, evidently, more unfair than me. it's all in perspective.
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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and you get the shaft from whom?

i don't see america as a failed capitalist society. we have problems-like every other country right now, mostly because of debt levels( and failure to acknowledge them), not capitalism. china's standard of living is rising because of capitalism (not that they don't have problems also).

seriously, look at all the countries with bigger government and ask if you would prefer to live there. for everyone, it seems that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

it reminds me of a tenant i had who left, and then begged to come back because the new landlords were, evidently, more unfair than me. it's all in perspective.
Shaft from my employer. My employer posted an all-time record profit level for the Q1 2009, and then in Q2 2009, their profit margin *MORE THAN DOUBLED* what it was from 2005-2008, and that includes their record 2009 profit levels, yet they cut over 350 people in one day in the early fall 2009 due to "budget cuts". Yes, even their hundreds of tax loopholes they claim and go through wasn't enough for all of us to keep a job. When 350+ people were laid off, not more than 3 months later on, the CEO walked away with a $4 million BONUS. Yes, just a bonus ( which doesn't include their salary. )

This is capitalism to the extreme. Let a failed system take its course and then reward the failure with a bonus. The only difference with this failure was that my employer wasn't using taxpayer money for this bonus like that used for auto, insurance and mortgage bailouts ( at least not that I know of they weren't. )

Bad idea to compare China's capitalism to ours as a reason why capitalism isn't bad. Look at what China is doing in regards to their economy ( will also be collapsing like ours did in 2008--they are following our steps to failure we took in '08 in regards to giving anyone a house, raising credit card interest rates, etc. )

I agree, the grass usually does appear greener on the other side of the fence. I can point to our neighbors up north for this example ( and a country who isn't run by a capitalist form of gov't and didn't have NEAR even half the financial problems we've been having. )

When it comes to talking about the debt levels, nothing will improve until we eliminate ALL tax cuts ( the biggest "entitlements" over the last 10 yrs ) and cut back severely on the excessive military spending. Until these two policies are put in place, it won't matter who is in the White House, or Congress or which corporation is running our government.
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