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The UN is mostly made up of dictatorships/etc., and their ratings on "freedom" are highly suspect.
Yeah, but Tin Knocker's rating is spot on, right? He has all the facts about life in every country in the world, with Sean Hannity doing his additional research for him, and if he says the USA is the freest country in the world, who are international irganizations to dispute that?
I have none. As former local law enforcement I know that no one but Democrat senators, congressmen, actors and other left upper society deserve protection, self provided, because soon we will have either a cop or military living in our homes (unwanted strangers) that we will have to feed because "the Constitution is some old paper that is outdated..." So lets violate it to protect the citizens of Amerika (no smart a-- I did not miss spell that refers to a movie about us becoming communist.). The idiot that claims so many countries that are more free than U.S. his list is all socialist countries (which we have become most recent of all).
This blog was probably started by BATF or FBI agent, posing, to troll for domestic terrorists to make a promotion out of.
Thank you very much for taking on the responsibliity for shooting those that need to be shot. How many have you shot so far? If your answer is "None", then what do you need a gun for?
None, though I haven't knowingly crossed paths with any targets of opportunity either. Noone needs firearms in the sense that people need oxygen and water, but that doesn't mean firearms can't be valuable tools. I wonder why the majority of the left is so dedicated to disarming law-abiding people. Why is it mostly the left and not 50/50 left/right? What ideals might private ownership of firearms undermine, sarcasm aside?
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I completely agree with you on this point, and I am considering getting a gun, exactly for this purpose (and no other). Already, I consider the police to be the enemy, and the police are the only armed Americans that I am afraid of. I am a law-abiding person, but I have bailed way too many people out of jail who subsequently had all charges dropped.
I don't consider the police to be the enemy. They provide a valuable service to the community and they're probably mostly good people, with a few bad apples thrown in. That being said, I disagree with the increased militarization of our domestic law enforcement. There's simply something wrong with trained killers dressed like ninjas issuing no-knock raids in the dark of night, ripping people out of their beds and stomping family pets to death. The following [outstanding] video attempts to explain how ordinary people could be influenced to do horrible things. The speaker is Philip Zimbardo, the psychologist who conducted the famous Stanford experiments.
Yeah, but Tin Knocker's rating is spot on, right? He has all the facts about life in every country in the world, with Sean Hannity doing his additional research for him, and if he says the USA is the freest country in the world, who are international irganizations to dispute that?
What criteria do they use to determine freedom?
Its certainly more convoluted than simply looking at who is more heavilly regulated. Not just guns either. Many of those countries dont even respect free speech or the press. Of course every single one has greater gun restrictions too. Makes it easy for a whacko to over run them a couple times a century too.
Why are you so afraid of being free? Why do you fear the police? Did you take your meds today?
I do not create the criteria for freedom. I generaly accept the many different global rankings that have been formulated, which have been published by recognized organizations, who all have the appropriate instruments of research at their disposal, There is braod agreement among them, although their criteria are not identical. In most of them, the USA ranks somewhere between 15 and 25 in the world.
I alrady explained why I fear the police. I am tired of getting phone calls from friends and family asking me to bail them out of jail, when they have done nothing wrong and eventually (at great personal expense to themselves) wind up having all charges dropped. The police are an armed group of people who have been trained to use fear and intimidation to subdue the spirit and will of the citizenry, with the default presumption that when they are in doubt, they are right. They have the nearly infinite resources of the public purse to back them up when they are wrong. If the poolice say you are guilty, you are prsumed guilty and treated as though guilty (including incarceration) until you sell your home to pay an attorney to prove your innocence. That's why I fear the police.
I alrady explained why I fear the police. I am tired of getting phone calls from friends and family asking me to bail them out of jail, when they have done nothing wrong and eventually (at great personal expense to themselves) wind up having all charges dropped. The police are an armed group of people who have been trained to use fear and intimidation to subdue the spirit and will of the citizenry, with the default attitude that then tyeh are in doubt, they are right. They have the nearly infinite resources of the public purse to back them up when they are wrong
All the defendants I represented - all of them, said "I didn't do it". And, there are those we "got off" because, usually, of some small technicality. Some for sufficient evidence -
But, while there are exceptions - law enforcement in this country does a damn good job - and I respect them and support them
I suppose you support an officer, doing a traffic stop, being shot and killed by the car's driver - maybe because the driver was so full of "fear"?
I do not create the criteria for freedom. I generaly accept the many different global rankings that have been formulated, which have been published by recognized organizations, who all have the appropriate instruments of research at their disposal, There is braod agreement among them, although their criteria are not identical. In most of them, the USA ranks somewhere between 10 and 20 in the world.
So you accept opinions, because that is what they are, without any knowledge of the criteria they used to get that opinion? Ignoreing the obvious bias that international organizations have against freedoms we take for granted?
You are a silly person I think. There is broad agreement in most places that their way is the right way. Thats diversity but doesn't necessarily reflect reality. I'd like to see a list of freedoms enjoyed by the citizenry of each of those nations stacked up against us. I doubt you will find one but if you do please post it.
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I alrady explained why I fear the police. I am tired of getting phone calls from friends and family asking me to bail them out of jail, when they have done nothing wrong and eventually (at great personal expense to themselves) wind up having all charges dropped. The police are an armed group of people who have been trained to use fear and intimidation to subdue the spirit and will of the citizenry, with the default attitude that then tyeh are in doubt, they are right. They have the nearly infinite resources of the public purse to back them up when they are wrong
The police do what we want for the most part. They get out of line sometimes but they are bound by laws we push for. The fact is however that people like you are the cause for the over zealousness of some police.
Take care of yourself & push for less restrictive laws across the board. If you ask them to take care of all of societies ills eventually they will get to you. On the other hand nobody is forcing you to bail out anybody. Let them sit in jail until the charges are dropped.
I alrady explained why I fear the police. I am tired of getting phone calls from friends and family asking me to bail them out of jail
Interesting. I've never been arrested, and I've never been called on to bail anyone out of jail. In fact, only one of my friends has ever been arrested, and he was only arrested once, for doing over 140mph on the freeway.
Makes me wonder how "innocent" your friends and family really are.
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If the poolice say you are guilty, you are prsumed guilty and treated as though guilty (including incarceration) until you sell your home to pay an attorney to prove your innocence.
You're so wrong about everything in the above quote it's laughable.
You have a very skewed perception of reality. It's no wonder that we disagree on so many things.
The police are an armed group of people who have been trained to use fear and intimidation to subdue the spirit and will of the citizenry, with the default attitude that then tyeh are in doubt, they are right. They have the nearly infinite resources of the public purse to back them up when they are wrong.
Although I standby what I said about not considering them to be the enemy, I agree with you here: police, and perhaps to a greater degree the BATFE and FBI, clearly overstep their boundaries sometimes. (Ruby Ridge anyone?) I suspect this behavior can be attributed to the phenomenon described in the video I provided earlier.
In Boston's Gun Bible, Boston T. Party advocates exercising your rights (e.g. saying no to warrantless searches), asking LEOs to articulate their probable cause (or reasonable suspicion) and answering questions with questions when police detain you. He goes on to say, "What you are doing is acting like a Free American who demands to know why his Liberty is being interrupted." His statement is very insightful. If as a society we cease to question authority, it won't be long before we lose our liberties. (Just look at the Patriot Act to see what the government can get away with when people allow themselves to be hoodooed into blind obedience.) If everyone was aware of their rights and exercised them daily, especially during any and all encounters with LEOs, I suspect it would help to keep situations like you described from happening as often. I will never give anyone permission to search me or my property without probable cause.
Personally, that is one of the principle reasons I choose to own firearms: because I’m acting like a free man. I'm exercising and underlining my rights as a law abiding citizen of our country. I'm demonstrating that despite the alarmist fear-mongering from those who seek to take my rifle away from me, I will continue to own it, practice with it, and generally behave in such a way as I deem responsible and in line with my principles.
As for the number of firearms I own, I’ll just say I own a few.
You and your friends might benefit from reading You and the Police, by Boston T. Party, if you can stomach the notion that he's a libertarian author. His discourse on how we should handle our encounters with "authority" is very perceptive and articulate.
So you accept opinions, because that is what they are, without any knowledge of the criteria they used to get that opinion? Ignoreing the obvious bias that international organizations have against freedoms we take for granted?.
I'm sorry, I forgot that only Americans tell the truth, and they get it from Sean Hannity. That's why this country is on a proper course and not experencing any problems at all. That's why the wretched refuse from the teeming shores of Norway keep streaming in under the Statue of Liberty. This is the only free country in the world. Iraq used to be just as free, under Saddam Hussein, when every man had a rifle.
If you have not yet learned to recognize reliable sources and distinguish them from nut-blogs, there is no point in discussing anything with you. You have predefined "reliable sources" as "sources that agree with what I wish were true".
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Noone needs firearms in the sense that people need oxygen and water, but that doesn't mean firearms can't be valuable tools. I wonder why the majority of the left is so dedicated to disarming law-abiding people. Why is it mostly the left and not 50/50 left/right? What ideals might private ownership of firearms undermine, sarcasm aside?
