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Old 10-23-2008, 07:33 PM
 
Location: MI
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Great post. I completely agree.

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What are my best interests?

I don't consider expanding welfare my best interest. I don't consider Social Security or Medicare my best interest. I don't consider the myriad earmarks I read about on the Citizens Against Government Waste website in my best interest. I don't consider limiting nuclear power or limiting oil exploration in our country in my best interest. I don't consider forcing kids to go to a public school over a voucher school in my best interest. I don't consider expanding "college" to everyone so that it justs gets watered down to accommodate every idiot without a nickel to attend. I don't consider unions having any favorable treatment in my best interest. I don't consider people telling me that if I have a daughter, she'll have to have a vaccine for an STD in my best interest. I don't consider the trial lawyers having favorable treatment in my best interest. I don't consider greater consolidation of power in the federal government in my best interest because power over my life is diluted from 1/5M to 1/300M.

What I do consider to be my best interest, however, is having as much of my income as possible rather than having to answer to a bureaucrat for assistance because I didn't make enough after taxes to support myself.

So, please, please, explain how the libs are looking out for my best interest.
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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Marx would argue that Capitalism is the most oppressive economic structure, so I suppose we shouldn't differentiate between any of them.

The idea that Capitalism prevents or is even opposed to oppression is naive at best.
Please answer the question. As a person opposed to oppression, why would I differentiate between socialism and communism?
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:37 PM
 
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If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.

The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?
That is the core difference between being a Republican and a Democrat, If you are the type of person that votes according to you're self interest, the type that, first wants to know, what is in it for me, what are you Mr politician going to do for me? Then you are voting Democrat. If you are voting for what is the right thing to do for the country and the constitution, regardless how it affects you personally then you vote Republican.
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Old 10-24-2008, 03:59 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.

The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?


believe it or not, liberals only vote for a higher welfare check or to steal money from some hard working american just to give that money to some poor slob that is not even willing to go out and get a job or take a pee test.
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Old 10-24-2008, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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If you are voting for what is the right thing to do for the country and the constitution, regardless how it affects you personally then you vote Republican.
Yeah the constitution is that what Bush has been using for toilet paper for the last 8 years? If you think republicans have been upholding the constitution you aren't paying attention. If you think republicans have been doing what is best for the country, well....you're going to have trouble explaining why the economy is collapsing.

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believe it or not, liberals only vote for a higher welfare check or to steal money from some hard working american just to give that money to some poor slob that is not even willing to go out and get a job or take a pee test.
Yeah, that is what the liberals do, they take money from the hard working and give it poor slobs that doesn't work. That makes sense.... I suppose, that is different than what the republicans do. They take money from the hard working and give it to the wealthy so they can buy another multi million dollar home.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:11 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Yeah the constitution is that what Bush has been using for toilet paper for the last 8 years? If you think republicans have been upholding the constitution you aren't paying attention. If you think republicans have been doing what is best for the country, well....you're going to have trouble explaining why the economy is collapsing.


Yeah, that is what the liberals do, they take money from the hard working and give it poor slobs that doesn't work. That makes sense.... I suppose, that is different than what the republicans do. They take money from the hard working and give it to the wealthy so they can buy another multi million dollar home.

liberals have been using the 2nd Amendment as toilet paper for a long time, and bush has been too for most of the Constitution.

and yes, liberals do love to steal from the rich and middle clas to fund their pet social projects. if you liberals dont think enough is being given to social programs, why dont you liberals that want more money put into social programs go out and start donating 50%+ of your paycheck to them.

you just want everyone else to be in misery as well, not just yourselfs, and you just cant stand having people providing for themselves.
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Old 10-27-2008, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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you just want everyone else to be in misery as well, not just yourselfs, and you just cant stand having people providing for themselves.
Yes, all those liberals are poor and don't want to provide for themselves. Looks like around 51% of the nation is voting for Obama does that mean 51% is poor?

But yes..."you liberals" blah blah blah. Why can't one talk about republican strategy without hearing this redneck line?
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Old 10-27-2008, 05:40 PM
 
Location: In a house
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We'll see how many really vote for him.
The election has not happened yet.
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:58 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Yes, all those liberals are poor and don't want to provide for themselves. Looks like around 51% of the nation is voting for Obama does that mean 51% is poor?

But yes..."you liberals" blah blah blah. Why can't one talk about republican strategy without hearing this redneck line?


you call it redneck line, I like to call it the workers line, where we dont want to give our money to some jerk that is not even willing to go out and look for a job, take a pee test and just wants to sit at home on the couch watching cable tv smoking a newport and drinking a beer.
I am not paying more taxes so you liberals can fund some more jerks.
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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you call it redneck line, I like to call it the workers line, where we dont want to give our money to some jerk that is not even willing to go out and look for a job, take a pee test and just wants to sit at home on the couch watching cable tv smoking a newport and drinking a beer.
I am not paying more taxes so you liberals can fund some more jerks.
Liberal policies aren't targeted at giving people that don't work the money of people that don't have much to begin with (i.e, the "workers"). If you think this well...you've been suckered.

Liberal policies instead want to prevent wealth becoming too concentrated in a few people's pockets. Liberal policies favor a strong middle-class. Welfare when done correctly protects the working class because it creates safety nets. Are Welfare systems abused? Sure. But that does not remove all the good they do for workers.

Also, it should be added that Welfare programs are generally state run. So, all this talk about Obama and Welfare is pure propaganda.

Lastly, unless you make over $250,000 (and I'm pretty sure you don't...) you will see your taxes raised at all under Obama rather the opposite. But I suppose you let the Republicans sucker you into thinking that McCain is going to cut your taxes. The Republicans haven't supported the working class for some time, its about time you wake up and smell the coffee.
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