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Old 01-07-2011, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Bardstown, KY
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On the immigration issue, I think there's enough blame to go around. When the economy was booming, immigration wasn't really a hot issue because employers wanted cheap labor. Now we want them all to go away. I actually saw this issue coming when the economy began to tank. I predicted that we would go after immigrants as far back as 3 years ago, and we did, big time. It became an issue because conservatives always need an enemy to get votes; someone to blame for all of the country's ills, and someone to fear. In the 60's it was Blacks and Communists. In the 80's it was gays, now we've got illegals to play the new boogeymen. We looked the other way when this problem was developing over the last few decades, and the issue will eventually be solved, but not before conservative politicians can get a few more people like yourself upset enough to vote for them.
So you're saying I'm just a product of the latest conservative media? I have been against illegal immigration since I was old enough to know what it was, way before this recession. For you to say that conservatives blamed blacks and gays for the countries problems just shows what the liberal media feeds you. Of coarse communist were hated because they threatened our way of life, and they still do, well the slightly less extreme socialists do at least.
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Old 01-07-2011, 05:46 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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You have got to be kidding me,
No, I'm not kidding.

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it's the "bleeding heart" liberals that want the border open because "it's the humane thing to do" even if it means job loss for honest Americans.
It's you who aren't the least bit serious if you actually believe what you wrote.

There are two possibilities:

1. It's like you said; the illegals are allowed to cross freely because libs want them to come here for better lives.

- or -

2. "American" corporations love to hire them by the boatload at below minimum wage and w/o benefits because they're cheaper than US workers and they're in a tight spot legally and can't complain about poor/dangerous working conditions.

I report.

You decide.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Wow where do I begin with such an incredibaly preposterous post?

40 hour work week - many of the labor reforms were introduced by Teddy Roosevelt, a republican.
Lighthouses - Ummm, I think just maybe in the history of the U.S. a person calling himself a conservative may just have built a lighthouse.
Harbors - see lighthouses.
railroads - Intercontinental railroad completed during Grant's tenures, a republican.
canals - I think panama canal started under Garfield or, again Teddy Roosevelt's tenure.
navigation equipment - see lighthouse.
freeways - didn't Ike introduce interstate highway system?
slavery - this should be obvious. Lincoln was a republican.
ww2 - Remind me, what party did General Eisenhower alight with?
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The history of the 40 hour work week was far longer than with one president. The labor movements ( not republican) were the instrumental components from the mid 1800's to the early 1900's. Henry Ford helped the movement when h dropped the working hours for Ford employees from 8 to 8 hours... he did so so those consumers would have more time to consume... not for humanitarian reasons.

It is too simplistic to associate a single president to a movement that took decades to achieve.

Historically the Isthmus commission started in1899 under the rep McKinley... To claim Teddy Roosevelt as a rep. is questionable.. remember he was a conservationist. and later started the Bull Moose party.

As for ;lighthouses.. the lighthouse Act came from 1789.... when Washington was president... He held no party affiliation... sounds like a perfect time...

Lincoln was not against slavery, but he was for the union . I think the labels don't match what todays Reps and dems are historically. was Lincoln like todays reps? doubt it...

I think the point the Op is making is many of the social gains have come about from the liberal side of the world and less from that of the conservative side. the question comes as what have conservatives done for us lately?.
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Bardstown, KY
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No, I'm not kidding.



It's you who aren't the least bit serious if you actually believe what you wrote.

There are two possibilities:

1. It's like you said; the illegals are allowed to cross freely because libs want them to come here for better lives.

- or -

2. "American" corporations love to hire them by the boatload at below minimum wage and w/o benefits because they're cheaper than US workers and they're in a tight spot legally and can't complain about poor/dangerous working conditions.

I report.

You decide.
1. You twisted my words because they are NOT ALLOWED to cross the border, and I said if a lib were to decide they would have it opened, I know plenty of them. They support blanket amnesty for those who enter the U.S. illegally. Also believe that undocumented immigrants have a right to:

-All educational and health benefits that citizens receive (financial aid, welfare, social security and medicaid), regardless of legal status.

-The same rights as American citizens.

2. The only so called "corporations" that CAN hire them are the ones that are small enough to pay "under the table".
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by koopi5 View Post
1. You twisted my words because they are NOT ALLOWED to cross the border, and I said if a lib were to decide they would have it opened, I know plenty of them. They support blanket amnesty for those who enter the U.S. illegally. Also believe that undocumented immigrants have a right to:

-All educational and health benefits that citizens receive (financial aid, welfare, social security and medicaid), regardless of legal status.

-The same rights as American citizens.

2. The only so called "corporations" that CAN hire them are the ones that are small enough to pay "under the table".
Reagan was a liberal then...
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I live in the metro DC area. The voucher program doesn't work because it just shuttles kids from one crummy school to another. The really good private schools in DC cost far more than the $ provided by the vouchers. On the subject of that "heartless sadistic pig" (I'm presuming that's your not so clever euphemism for the President), you'd sent your kids to private schools too if you lived in DC and could afford it.

"The graduation rate for students who were offered scholarships was 82 percent, compared with 70 percent for those not in the program."

D.C.'s successful voucher program deserves a second life


That alone is enough reason to continue the program. Care to guess what the future incarceration rate will be for the extra 12% who do not graduate because of this decision?




"you'd sent your kids to private schools too if you lived in DC and could afford it."


You are very correct, but what I would not do is force those who cannot afford the best schools to stay in the worst.
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Old 01-09-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Don't forget the Revolution, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

Well, there was the Great Depression, ENRON, the war in Iraq, and CEOs making 400 times the amount of their average worker. Thanks, conservatives!
Conservatives do not believe in the manipulation of our economy by the government. That manipulation caused the great depression as well as the depression we are in now.
All these labels and no one knows what they mean.
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Bardstown, KY
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Originally Posted by Pamky View Post
Reagan was a liberal then...
"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally." - Ronald Reagan

Reagan did not want the border open
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