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we have given a great economy, a wonderful foundation of liberty, firm strong values and families
support for a strong national defense, limited government, the rights of the individual,
O.K. For some reason all these people seem to think that the conservatives at the time where liberals. You say something and the reply is well he was a liberal. It is called Republican. And our issues have and always will trump the liberals. Seeming how you all just cry ya but he was a liberal I will start with the most recent and work my way back. TAX RELIEF ACT-P.L. 108-27, Free Trade acts P.L. 108-77 and 108-78, Transportation ACT P.L. 108-88, MY Favorite AMERICAN DREAM DOWN PAYMENT ACT(S.811) P.L.108-186, The plastic gun ban P.L.108-174-(this would have expired if not for the Republicans of all parties) Oh and lets not forget the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT. Ya it has some fine tunning left but it went farther than the liberals went. Than we have the Reagan era, Cold War anyone. What about the Berlin Wall? Nuclear arms reduction treaty? So are you saying 1 of the great Presidents was a liberal? OH and the WOMAN will love this The year was 1919 And after the Dem's had defeated a measure 4 times they also lost control of the senate, To the republicans. And low and behold that year after 4 years of trying the REPUBLICANS PASSED the womans right to vote. After the Dem's said NO 4 TIMES. Oh and 1917 the first woman to serve in the senate was Jeannette Rankin of Montana, A yup REPUBLICAN. Than you have REPUBLICAN President Benjamin Harrison who in 1890 passed the ANTI TRUST ACT.(you know that one that stops stores like Walmart And the monopolies. Than you have 1866 Republicans OVERRODE A Presidential VETO, There by giving Blacks Citizenship. In 1868 they also gave them Equal right and in 1871 Gave them Voting right. All of this stuff the Liberals fought tooth and nail. And to say well they where liberals in a different time is a cop-out. It is called Party lines. Just for good measure here is 1 more the year was 1957 IKE was President And HE pushed and Passed the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. And he went up against the ONE AND ONLY SEN. KENNEDY and other LIBERAL DEM'S who tried to block it, And Even went as far as Staging a 24 HR FILIBUSTER. This is why I will always VOTE Republican. Dem's care about what gets them elected Republicans Have a history of doing what is right. Ya every now and then 1 doesn't but that is better than the DEM's that Never have.
I thought you were trying to use a unified definition. The modern conservative - the Reagan-Gingrich conservatives are typified by the Federalist Society, small government, States Rights and strict construction. All of this is a throwback to James Madison and the boys. We are the greatest nation in the world because we have been able to restrain the central government to prevent many of the abuses seen elsewhere and to maintain a free market (classic liberal) economy despite the efforts of the modern socialist liberals who would rather see us tinkering with failed economic systems and greater government control.
Nicely put Ozarks! One of my favorite Madison quotes:
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
James Madison
Yet liberals advocate the same policies that were present in the old Soviet Union.
I understand what you mean,but I'll actually disagree on that to a point.I don't think American progressive liberals want a communist system to that extent I think they are more in tune to certain european socialism,which with that system once there are more people collecting then putting in it will fail.
It seems progressive liberals will champion "certain" liberty but promote a centralized system specially on social and economic issues.But the thought that "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few" does not jive with the ideals of personal liberty and responsibility.
we have given a great economy, a wonderful foundation of liberty, firm strong values and families
support for a strong national defense, limited government, the rights of the individual,
The economy where savings rates amongst Americans are the lowest they've been since the Great Depression? The record surplus that Bush managed to turn into the record deficit? The economy that's sustainable until China decides it feels like taking its marbles and going home?
Values like Rob Ney and Duke Cunningham values? Or are you thinking more along the lines of Mark Foley values? Or maybe Jack Abramoff values?
Are you thinking of the military that is being stretched to its breaking point when you speak of a strong military? The military that's been fighting in Iraq not only with no clear mission or strategy but also without adequate armor?
Are you talking about the Military Commissions Act that takes away the 800-year old right to habeas corpus when you speak of our individual rights? Or the right's never-ending quest to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies? Or are you thinking of the right to have your mail opened because your president thinks it's his right to do that? Maybe it's limited government you're thinking of.
Please tell me again how today's conservatism applies to ANY of the points you made.
I understand what you mean,but I'll actually disagree on that to a point.I don't think American progressive liberals want a communist system to that extent I think they are more in tune to certain european socialism,which with that system once there are more people collecting then putting in it will fail.
It seems progressive liberals will champion "certain" liberty but promote a centralized system specially on social and economic issues.But the thought that "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few" does not jive with the ideals of personal liberty and responsibility.
What "certain" liberties are you speaking of? Centralized control of economic aspects are considered statist policies. Statist policies discourage individual achievement by punishing achievement, making those who achieve responsible for the well-being of those who choose not to achieve, thus rewarding poor behavior and removing responsibility for bad choices. Individual achievement produces jobs and expands the economy, making life better for all classes of individuals.
Values like Rob Ney and Duke Cunningham values? Or are you thinking more along the lines of Mark Foley values? Or maybe Jack Abramoff values?
Are you thinking of the military that is being stretched to its breaking point when you speak of a strong military? The military that's been fighting in Iraq not only with no clear mission or strategy but also without adequate armor?
Are you talking about the Military Commissions Act that takes away the 800-year old right to habeas corpus when you speak of our individual rights? Or the right's never-ending quest to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies? Or are you thinking of the right to have your mail opened because your president thinks it's his right to do that? Maybe it's limited government you're thinking of.
Please tell me again how today's conservatism applies to ANY of the points you made.
perhaps you would rather live with the taliban i understand there real strong on the womens rights issues!
perhaps you would rather live with the taliban i understand there real strong on the womens rights issues!
Another thing the conservatives have blessed us with: straw man arguments.
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