Who's fault is it for the Bush mess?

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by movin'on

Google on Clint Curtis. He was a repug that was recruited by another repug (congressman in Fl) to generate a computer program for the election to flip the vote 51-49, just what happened. Clint Curtis is a programmer who testified, under oath (and I have the video) that this took place.

Do your research before spouting off. Sigh.

I grow so tired of you people, especially in light of the fact that ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is to inform yourselves. But that would require thought and energy.

We both know that the Democrats would have been all over this if there was any validity to it.

The simple fact is that Gore lost in Florida. He took it to the Florida Supreme Court who extended the certification deadline (for no good reason... because the Democratic candidate is losing in not a valid reason to extend it).
Then the endless hand recounts began.

The U.S. Supreme Court took the case. They asked why the Florida Supreme Court was ordering one hand recount after another. The Florida Supreme Court could not answer that question. So the U.S. Supreme Court put a stop to the hand recounts and the Florida results were (finally) certified.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by evilnewbie

I am curious considering at least half of the population voted for him in the last two elections. He ran (which is not his fault) and won, so whose fault is it for all the problems he created?

1) As I said before, at least half of the voters, voted for him. Are they at fault?

2) Is it Democrats fault? They put up contenders like Al Gore (who in my opinion is even worse than Bush) and John Kerry (don't know what the presidency would be like with him in it). Is the Dems fault for putting out bad competing candidates?

3) Even though Clinton (and Dems) started the Housing mess, Bush and the GOP continued it to the Housing bust. Is it Clinton's and Dems fault for this whole mess or is it the GOP and Bush fault for continuing the flawed liberal plan?

4) The Iraq war was a war of special interests of collusion between Big Oil and Big Government. Is it their fault that they "tipped" over the economic crisis? Or is the millions of Americans (including liberals and conservatives) who were "for" the war at the beginning?

5) The GOP controlled Congress for most of the part in the Bush years but the Dems had a significant power in Congress as well. Was it the Dems fault for not stopping the neo-conservatives plots? Or is it the neo-conservatives fault for not being stopped?

6) The Dems took over Congress in the last two years or so, but have made a lot of blunders during that time. Is it the Dems fault for all the mess afterwards? Or is it Bush's fault because he was their figurehead?

Undoubtedly, Bush is one of the worst presidents ever... whose fault is it? The people who elected him? The people (including liberals) who clamored for his policies? The fact that he followed liberal policies from the Clinton, is it Clinton's fault? Is it Big Business/Big Oil's fault who created his policies in the last eight years? So whose fault is it? And how are they paying? Is it the GOP's fault for enacting his bad policies? Is it the Dems fault for not stopping these policies? Is the Dems fault when they took power and did more wrong things? Whose fault is it? We blame Bush... but I suspect, the neo-conservatives, the liberals, the GOP, the Dems, and Big Business/Big Oil are all at fault... even when "they" are the problem, what do I see in this election? Big Oil is expanding with more drilling... and record profits. Big Business is getting bailouts from taxpayers money. The Dems are taking hold over Senate and House and perhaps the Presidency. The liberals are demanding more handouts when we have $10 trillion in debt. The neo-conservatives demand worldwide US presence because they think controlling the world is better than managing our own problems. Bush is leaving the presidency with a HUGE windfall from his oil buddies. The GOP is perhaps a dying breed because they betrayed true conservative values for neo-conservative values... we just continue making things worse... almost nobody paid for this mess...

So whose fault is it? Americans are suffering from the web of problems they weaved themselves by keeping the Dems and GOP in office. When will Americans learn that the problem are both with Dems and GOP? They weaved too much of a Big Government to keep them in the politcal forays... We need an end to corruption... Will Obama be the answer? Honestly, I think he will "try" to end corruption but in the end, he will put corruption in place of corruption... socialism is the ultimate in corruption... doesn't he understand that? Whose fault will it be when Obama makes the situation even worse? Will McCain be the answer? McCain wants to fight corruption but at the same time leave loopholes in the system to continue the corruption... I wanted a candidate to fight the corruption... I wanted Ron Paul to win... alas... Americans choose for more corruption instead which is the heart of the problem... so I guess in the end, Americans are the ones to be blamed... they invited this mess for a few dollars in their hands..

1. No. The voters chose the right man for the job, considering the other choices in both 2000 and 2004.
2. Your call.
3. Wrong. Republicans warned the Democrats (there is audio and video which confirms this) on several occasions. The Democrats turned a deaf ear, and said they didn't see a problem — all of them. They were making money hand over fist. Why should they listen to the Republicans?
4. Wrong. Your assessment of the Iraq war is pure nonsense. It had nothing to do with oil, or "special interests". It was strategic, and every bit part of the overall war on terror as Afghanistan.
5. "Neoconservative plots"? Why do you people love to use that term when you have no idea what it means? It means different things to different people. Define "neoconservative" (your definition, please). The term is just another cliche.
6. Duh? The Democrats are totally responsible for the mortgage meltdown, since it was they who created the scheme that led to it (CRA). They milked it for all it was worth. It was their version of FDR's "New Deal", and every bit as bad. Let them wallow in it. No Republican has any responsibility for this.

If we are smart, we will toss every last one of them out. They are all scoundrels.

[Taboo2]

He stole the first election (Must be nice having your brother governing the state who's votes are in question - WATCH RECOUNT) and the second election people head their heads up their arses and status quo and all that.
I am so proud to say I never voted for that douche bag and I pity the fools who did vote for the ****** and are upset with what a loser he turned out to be.

Someone said
"G.W.Bush was born on third base- but thinks he hit a triple".

That sums him right up. He thinks he earned where he got, but in reality he was just born into it.

To stupid to be a mastermind of anything.
To Stubborn to ever admit he was wrong.
Cheney is the PUPPETMASTER!

Originally Posted by evilnewbie

I am curious considering at least half of the population voted for him in the last two elections. He ran (which is not his fault) and won, so whose fault is it for all the problems he created?

1) As I said before, at least half of the voters, voted for him. Are they at fault?

2) Is it Democrats fault? They put up contenders like Al Gore (who in my opinion is even worse than Bush) and John Kerry (don't know what the presidency would be like with him in it). Is the Dems fault for putting out bad competing candidates?

3) Even though Clinton (and Dems) started the Housing mess, Bush and the GOP continued it to the Housing bust. Is it Clinton's and Dems fault for this whole mess or is it the GOP and Bush fault for continuing the flawed liberal plan?

4) The Iraq war was a war of special interests of collusion between Big Oil and Big Government. Is it their fault that they "tipped" over the economic crisis? Or is the millions of Americans (including liberals and conservatives) who were "for" the war at the beginning?

5) The GOP controlled Congress for most of the part in the Bush years but the Dems had a significant power in Congress as well. Was it the Dems fault for not stopping the neo-conservatives plots? Or is it the neo-conservatives fault for not being stopped?

6) The Dems took over Congress in the last two years or so, but have made a lot of blunders during that time. Is it the Dems fault for all the mess afterwards? Or is it Bush's fault because he was their figurehead?

Undoubtedly, Bush is one of the worst presidents ever... whose fault is it? The people who elected him? The people (including liberals) who clamored for his policies? The fact that he followed liberal policies from the Clinton, is it Clinton's fault? Is it Big Business/Big Oil's fault who created his policies in the last eight years? So whose fault is it? And how are they paying? Is it the GOP's fault for enacting his bad policies? Is it the Dems fault for not stopping these policies? Is the Dems fault when they took power and did more wrong things? Whose fault is it? We blame Bush... but I suspect, the neo-conservatives, the liberals, the GOP, the Dems, and Big Business/Big Oil are all at fault... even when "they" are the problem, what do I see in this election? Big Oil is expanding with more drilling... and record profits. Big Business is getting bailouts from taxpayers money. The Dems are taking hold over Senate and House and perhaps the Presidency. The liberals are demanding more handouts when we have $10 trillion in debt. The neo-conservatives demand worldwide US presence because they think controlling the world is better than managing our own problems. Bush is leaving the presidency with a HUGE windfall from his oil buddies. The GOP is perhaps a dying breed because they betrayed true conservative values for neo-conservative values... we just continue making things worse... almost nobody paid for this mess...

So whose fault is it? Americans are suffering from the web of problems they weaved themselves by keeping the Dems and GOP in office. When will Americans learn that the problem are both with Dems and GOP? They weaved too much of a Big Government to keep them in the politcal forays... We need an end to corruption... Will Obama be the answer? Honestly, I think he will "try" to end corruption but in the end, he will put corruption in place of corruption... socialism is the ultimate in corruption... doesn't he understand that? Whose fault will it be when Obama makes the situation even worse? Will McCain be the answer? McCain wants to fight corruption but at the same time leave loopholes in the system to continue the corruption... I wanted a candidate to fight the corruption... I wanted Ron Paul to win... alas... Americans choose for more corruption instead which is the heart of the problem... so I guess in the end, Americans are the ones to be blamed... they invited this mess for a few dollars in their hands..

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

1. No. The voters chose the right man for the job, considering the other choices in both 2000 and 2004.
2. Your call.
3. Wrong. Republicans warned the Democrats (there is audio and video which confirms this) on several occasions. The Democrats turned a deaf ear, and said they didn't see a problem — all of them. They were making money hand over fist. Why should they listen to the Republicans?
4. Wrong. Your assessment of the Iraq war is pure nonsense. It had nothing to do with oil, or "special interests". It was strategic, and every bit part of the overall war on terror as Afghanistan.
5. "Neoconservative plots"? Why do you people love to use that term when you have no idea what it means? It means different things to different people. Define "neoconservative" (your definition, please). The term is just another cliche.
6. Duh? The Democrats are totally responsible for the mortgage meltdown, since it was they who created the scheme that led to it (CRA). They milked it for all it was worth. It was their version of FDR's "New Deal", and every bit as bad. Let them wallow in it. No Republican has any responsibility for this.

If we are smart, we will toss every last one of them out. They are all scoundrels.

I can agree with both you and evil newbe. I agree 100% with the last line. This crisis is in fact the fault of all those who held office and did not react inspite of the growing evidence of crisis.
Vote every incumbant out. The latest group has a 12% approvalrating for a very good reason. They suck.

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Taboo2

He stole the first election (Must be nice having your brother governing the state who's votes are in question - WATCH RECOUNT) and the second election people head their heads up their arses and status quo and all that.

Not true. How could he "steal" something he had already won?

And Gov. Bush of Florida recused himself just after the election.

If anyone, it was the Gore Camp who tried to steal the election. By extending the certification deadline and by the endless hand recounts.

[sugarmaple]

who is responsible, at least in part:
Bush
Cheney
Rove

[AngelEyez02403]

Well, why don't we just debate about who's to blame and ignore the component about how we should fix the mess?

[Muhnay]

Originally Posted by evilnewbie

I am curious considering at least half of the population voted for him in the last two elections. He ran (which is not his fault) and won, so whose fault is it for all the problems he created?

How can you sit there and claim Bush created this mess? You do know he answers to a Democraptic Congress right?

1) As I said before, at least half of the voters, voted for him. Are they at fault?

Why do people always feel the need to point blame on someone?

2) Is it Democrats fault? They put up contenders like Al Gore (who in my opinion is even worse than Bush) and John Kerry (don't know what the presidency would be like with him in it). Is the Dems fault for putting out bad competing candidates?

Good Question.. Why are all the Democraps bad contenders?

3) Even though Clinton (and Dems) started the Housing mess, Bush and the GOP continued it to the Housing bust. Is it Clinton's and Dems fault for this whole mess or is it the GOP and Bush fault for continuing the flawed liberal plan?

Well, lets consider, the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor took place during the first term of President Bush. Then he had several Natural Disasters that ate into his economy plan, and put America in the whole. Then we elected a Demcraptic Congress, and they have done nothing but hurt us.. so Yes I would have to say Mother Nature teamed up with Democraps to make the mess were in.

4) The Iraq war was a war of special interests of collusion between Big Oil and Big Government. Is it their fault that they "tipped" over the economic crisis? Or is the millions of Americans (including liberals and conservatives) who were "for" the war at the beginning?

I wish I could show you satellite images of the weapons of mass destruction moving over the border of Syria.. I wish I could remind you of the head games Saddam played with the inspectors, I wish I could remind you of the bombs we found with trace amounts of mustard gas still in them.. and the mass graves all over IRAQ. Yeah it was all over oil.. may I remind you we gave full control of the OIL to IRAQ and took none for ourselves.

5) The GOP controlled Congress for most of the part in the Bush years but the Dems had a significant power in Congress as well. Was it the Dems fault for not stopping the neo-conservatives plots? Or is it the neo-conservatives fault for not being stopped?

Humm think we covered this already.. moving on.

6) The Dems took over Congress in the last two years or so, but have made a lot of blunders during that time. Is it the Dems fault for all the mess afterwards? Or is it Bush's fault because he was their figurehead?

We have a system of checks and balances, I think there is enough fault to go around for all.

Undoubtedly, Bush is one of the worst presidents ever... whose fault is it? The people who elected him? The people (including liberals) who clamored for his policies? The fact that he followed liberal policies from the Clinton, is it Clinton's fault? Is it Big Business/Big Oil's fault who created his policies in the last eight years? So whose fault is it? And how are they paying? Is it the GOP's fault for enacting his bad policies? Is it the Dems fault for not stopping these policies? Is the Dems fault when they took power and did more wrong things? Whose fault is it? We blame Bush... but I suspect, the neo-conservatives, the liberals, the GOP, the Dems, and Big Business/Big Oil are all at fault... even when "they" are the problem, what do I see in this election? Big Oil is expanding with more drilling... and record profits. Big Business is getting bailouts from taxpayers money. The Dems are taking hold over Senate and House and perhaps the Presidency. The liberals are demanding more handouts when we have $10 trillion in debt. The neo-conservatives demand worldwide US presence because they think controlling the world is better than managing our own problems. Bush is leaving the presidency with a HUGE windfall from his oil buddies. The GOP is perhaps a dying breed because they betrayed true conservative values for neo-conservative values... we just continue making things worse... almost nobody paid for this mess...

I don't think he was the worst, Nixon on the other hand.. but lets not speak ill of the dead. I think they are all to blame, that is why my tag line reads VOTE 3rd PARTY, SEE WHAT THE OTHER TWO HAVE DONE.

So whose fault is it? Americans are suffering from the web of problems they weaved themselves by keeping the Dems and GOP in office. When will Americans learn that the problem are both with Dems and GOP? They weaved too much of a Big Government to keep them in the politcal forays... We need an end to corruption... Will Obama be the answer? Honestly, I think he will "try" to end corruption but in the end, he will put corruption in place of corruption... socialism is the ultimate in corruption... doesn't he understand that? Whose fault will it be when Obama makes the situation even worse? Will McCain be the answer? McCain wants to fight corruption but at the same time leave loopholes in the system to continue the corruption... I wanted a candidate to fight the corruption... I wanted Ron Paul to win... alas... Americans choose for more corruption instead which is the heart of the problem... so I guess in the end, Americans are the ones to be blamed... they invited this mess for a few dollars in their hands..

That last line is more true than you know, and the main reason Obama leads.. because people see the hand out, not the man.

Posted between the lines in maroon.