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Old 11-01-2008, 10:02 PM
 
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I'd rather advocate having the Republican and Democrat parties split; twice each at least. Then restructure to put the 3rd parties on even footing. Doing that then takes away this ultra-party following, the other one is evil, belief.
It is ironic that Americans have this mistaken concept that our system is the pinnacle of democracy. That is such nonsense. With a 50%+1 de facto "two party" system, the majority of people are not represented no matter which party wins. What you get are two mediocre parties that promise everything and deliver very little.

Democracy without proportional representation is a fraud. Most western democracies use proportional representation where small party votes actually count. If Party A gets 30% of the votes, they basically get 30% of the representatives. If Party B gets 15% of the votes, likewise they get 15% of the representatives. (As a safety measure against extremists, if Party X gets less than 5%, they get no representatives.)

In most democracies, large parties negotiate with small parties to form coalitions. There is more cooperation and compromise involved. Great ideas from small parties are not completely shut out of the process as happens in the so-called "democracy" in the USA.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:02 PM
 
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Wouldn't a republican country just be a Christianity extremist country? They would be on par with Somalia within a decade.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:04 PM
 
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Okay folks, ever hear the phrase "United we stand, divided we fall"? If we did divide, do you realize how quickly we'd both be gone? We'd both be overtaken by some other country who could never provide us with the luxuires we will afford whether it be under McCain or Obama. Think about it. I don't need to post a link to some proof.
People forget that on 9/11 there wasn't a Democratic America, a Republican America or an Independent America.. there was just one America..

Lets see a country of one political party: Cuba, China... hmm I will take what I have right now thank you..
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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People forget that on 9/11 there wasn't a Democratic America, a Republican America or an Independent America.. there was just one America..

Lets see a country of one political party: Cuba, China... hmm I will take what I have right now thank you..

EXCELLENT POINT!!!! How easy we forget.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:05 PM
 
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It is ironic that Americans have this mistaken concept that our system is the pinnacle of democracy. That is such nonsense. With a 50%+1 de facto "two party" system, the majority of people are not represented no matter which party wins. What you get are two mediocre parties that promise everything and deliver very little.

Democracy without proportional representation is a fraud. Most western democracies use proportional representation where small party votes actually count. If Party A gets 30% of the votes, they basically get 30% of the representatives. If Party B gets 15% of the votes, likewise they get 15% of the representatives. (As a safety measure against extremists, if Party X gets less than 5%, they get no representatives.)

In most democracies, large parties negotiate with small parties to form coalitions. There is more cooperation and compromise involved. Great ideas from small parties are not completely shut out of the process as happens in the so-called "democracy" in the USA.
Excellent post.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:07 PM
 
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EXCELLENT POINT!!!! How easy we forget.
Thanks! And I was one of the ones that ran from Tower 1.... I never felt that New Yorkers were really part of America until that day... before then it was always this city that people either loved or hate...
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Lets see a country of one political party: Cuba, China... hmm I will take what I have right now thank you..
I did not see that anyone was advocating a "one party system". Separating into more cohesive nations would more than likely create more political diversity, not less.

Just consider that our "two party system", although superior to a "one party system", is much less democratic than a truly pluralistic representative "multi party system" found in other western democracies.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:11 PM
 
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I havn't read the whole thread but NO!!!

If it were to split up and each have their own individual places they would go to poop. Both of them would be destined for failure..face it we migh not agree with each other at times but we NEED each other
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:14 PM
 
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Not unless we in NY get to cut off NYC and south and float it into the Atlantic Ocean. Maybe Westchester county as well.

For those who do not know it, the state of NY is very red on the electoral maps, but NYC will always ( by virtue of sheer size and # of bodies) turn it blue.

If I was going to assign states, I would assign by the % of land voting in a party: The country would basically be Republican and Dems would be stuck in islands ( cities). The majority of land would be left to the people.
I think Illinois is the same way, it's pretty much a red state with the exeption of Chicago.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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Thanks! And I was one of the ones that ran from Tower 1.... I never felt that New Yorkers were really part of America until that day... before then it was always this city that people either loved or hate...
You are the first person I ever talked to that was in one of the buildings. I was in New Jersey (Clifton) visiting my mother on 9/11. Smoke quickly filled the air and the wind wasn't even blowing from the East. We drove up to a hill on the other side of Clifton and just watched. It was a horrorshow in real life. Maybe if some of the people here could see what I saw from a distance and what you experienced 1st hand, a better understanding could be had. I am so sorry you had to go through that. The entire NYC metro area became one that day. There were no whites, blacks, arabs, oreintals and no Christians or Jews. There were just people. Many people lined the sides of the various highways holding candles and flags. It was unbelievable.
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