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Old 11-12-2008, 07:50 PM
 
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thats not true actually, gays are open everywhere. Where do you live where you don't see any homosexuals? I just picked up a sandwich this evening at the store because im not cooking, lol and chatted with a young guy that goes to my college about the issue, he was gay and we had a really nice discussion.
You may live in an area where it's more acceptable to be open about it. Go to a rural county in the U.S. and ask people on the street if they know any gay people.

You could even go to certain parts of a big city - the south or east side of Los Angeles - and I'm guessing you'd find very few who say that they know any gays.

 
Old 11-12-2008, 07:54 PM
 
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You may live in an area where it's more acceptable to be open about it. Go to a rural county in the U.S. and ask people on the street if they know any gay people.

You could even go to certain parts of a big city - the south or east side of Los Angeles - and I'm guessing you'd find very few who say that they know any gays.
well i usually don't go looking for gays like you do, but i know back in oklahoma i saw many openly gay people walking around there.It was pretty rural there, No biggie. Where do you live?
 
Old 11-12-2008, 07:54 PM
 
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not looking for a fight. How do you think the supreme court will pass a law that has already made it to be a california constitutional law?
Courts don't pass laws. What the state Supreme Court may very well do if (when) asked, is determine that Prop-8 goes beyond the permissible Constitutional scope of a mere proposition and that it is therefore null and void.
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:05 PM
 
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Courts don't pass laws. What the state Supreme Court may very well do if (when) asked, is determine that Prop-8 goes beyond the permissible Constitutional scope of a mere proposition and that it is therefore null and void.
yes, thank you for answering this then, i have no idea why karfar was uncomfortable embelishing on his opinion that he thought the superior court was going to some how overturn the proposition. My question is it seems it will be hard to do because it is now california constitutional law, and as far as im concerned would be hard to overturn after the same judges and the population as well has already accepted it as constitutional state law now. If it was ever seen as having any flaws why didn't that get adressed before it was even a proposition you could vote for. thats what i don't understand.
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:05 PM
 
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well i usually don't go looking for gays like you do
You know, karfar was right. You appear to ask a question sincerely, and then you make ad hominem attacks on the people who respond to you. Why?
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:11 PM
 
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well i usually don't go looking for gays like you do, but i know back in oklahoma i saw many openly gay people walking around there.It was pretty rural there, No biggie. Where do you live?
It's not rural in Oklahoma City, and really only in NW Oklahoma City do you find openly gay people walking around. Otherwise there is too much of a risk of being gay bashed.

And then in Tulsa some certain areas of town is okay. Everywhere else where it is rural, no way, not unless you are really brave and carry a gun to defend yourself do many people risk it.
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:13 PM
 
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yes, thank you for answering this then, i have no idea why karfar was uncomfortable embelishing on his opinion that he thought the superior court was going to some how overturn the proposition. My question is it seems it will be hard to do because it is now california constitutional law, and as far as im concerned would be hard to overturn after the same judges and the population as well has already accepted it as constitutional state law now. If it was ever seen as having any flaws why didn't that get adressed before it was even a proposition you could vote for. thats what i don't understand.
That is where you are wrong. There are other clauses in California's constitution that make this whole thing illegal that they did it in the first place. Also, it was law that they could marry before this. It will not hold. And on the off chance that it does hold, you will see it back on the ballot in the future.
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:20 PM
 
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i have no idea why karfar was uncomfortable embelishing on his opinion...
maybe because much of the night last night, you were absolutely venomous and sought to attack everyone who responded to you, often in ways unrelated to the discussion
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:23 PM
 
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I'm so with you on that. I wonder how many of the anti-same-sex-marriage voters in California actually knew a same-sex couple who had gotten married - or even knew a same-sex couple at all!

Gays are mostly an invisible minority in everyday life, so lots of people still think that they don't know any gays. This allows their imaginations to run wild when they hear the word "gay". It's the fear of the unknown.
I am block captain for neighborhood watch and one of my neighbors that voted yes on 8 does not know that I am gay. At one of our meetings she commented to me that she wished she had a neighbor like me on her block. Again, she does not know that I am gay and in a long term relationship, so probably did not know that she was taking away one of my rights.
 
Old 11-12-2008, 08:29 PM
 
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yes, thank you for answering this then, i have no idea why karfar was uncomfortable embelishing on his opinion that he thought the superior court was going to some how overturn the proposition. My question is it seems it will be hard to do because it is now california constitutional law, and as far as im concerned would be hard to overturn after the same judges and the population as well has already accepted it as constitutional state law now. If it was ever seen as having any flaws why didn't that get adressed before it was even a proposition you could vote for. thats what i don't understand.
Here's the thing, I don't have a problem answering questions when they're not laden w/hidden agenda. It might do you some good to understand that provoking people endlessly & then retreating to try to make nice, completely insincerely I might add, is a futile attempt at discussion.
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