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Old 11-13-2008, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I wish priests would make as big a hubbub about the Church's anti-death penalty stance as they would about being anti-choice.

Priest urges penance for Obama voters over abortion - USATODAY.com
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Old 11-13-2008, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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They do make it a big deal, but abortion takes precedence because of the very nature of it. While killing the guilty is wrong because we believe in forgiveness of sins, killing the innocent goes beyond wrong because they have no voice, no say, no way to fight back.
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Old 11-13-2008, 05:59 PM
 
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They do make it a big deal, but abortion takes precedence because of the very nature of it. While killing the guilty is wrong because we believe in forgiveness of sins, killing the innocent goes beyond wrong because they have no voice, no say, no way to fight back.
Come on, you live in Joliet. Isn't the death penalty just slowly hacking away at your major industry? Your tax base relies on prisoners.
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:33 PM
 
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I wish priests would make as big a hubbub about the Church's anti-death penalty stance as they would about being anti-choice.

Priest urges penance for Obama voters over abortion - USATODAY.com
They do.
They are also against nuclear proliferation.....back when that was a more pressing issue (1980-1990ish) priests were routinely being arrested outside the military base where I live.
They are also against prosecuting illegal immigrants to the point of using their churches as 'sanctuaries'....check out Chicago if you want to see what their local priests are doing about that.
They are also for helping pregnant women whether they decide to keep their baby or make an adoptive plan by housing them and educating them.
They are also known for housing and helping women (with their children) break away from abusive relationships, rehab from drug and alcohol addiction.
They help the homeless (and not just at Thanksgiving), they help settle political refugees and they help rehab poor neighborhoods by allowing poorer people to buy houses.

Basically, with the exception of abortion and homosexuality (which I will give them points for preaching that being a homosexual is not a sin) Roman Catholicism is actually a very liberal religion.
But, because their stance on the sanctity of life stretches from before birth, during good times and bad through old age and death they are somehow villianized as being 'conservative' amongst the worlds religions. I'll never understand that.
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, TN
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Oh they do. They spend more time on the abortion issue though because of the numbers.

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Old 11-13-2008, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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In fact if Obama were a little less liberal, and pro-life, I would have voted for him over McCain.
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:59 PM
 
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I'll say one thing for the Catholic Church, when it comes to "sanctity" of life, they are the most morally consistent group around. They get rep points from me when it comes to consistency of teaching.

Hiding pedophiles and other crap... well that's a different story.
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Old 11-14-2008, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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No, they care more about a fetus than a living human. And you can't assume that people being put to death are always guilty.

Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

Executed But Possibly Innocent | Death Penalty Information Center

More emphasis, by far is put on anti-abortion programming than anti-death penalty, anti-nuclear proliferation programming, etc.

This SC priest should also decline communion to anyone who voted for Wonderboy unless they do penance. It's only fair, isn't it?
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Old 11-14-2008, 07:57 AM
 
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No, they care more about a fetus than a living human. And you can't assume that people being put to death are always guilty.

Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

Executed But Possibly Innocent | Death Penalty Information Center

More emphasis, by far is put on anti-abortion programming than anti-death penalty, anti-nuclear proliferation programming, etc.

This SC priest should also decline communion to anyone who voted for Wonderboy unless they do penance. It's only fair, isn't it?
Why is abortion the be all end all of liberalism? Why must abortion be the litmus test that everyone must pass before being acknowledged as caring people?
Abortion by its very nature is divisive. Either you believe it is justifiable or you don't. Granted, there is very little middle ground to navigate. Nonetheless, in this case the catholic church has been very consistent. They do lobby against the death penalty, poverty, and nukes (but again, that is not such a problem since the cold war ended). They do provide help for people - catholic and non catholic alike- through programs for the homeless, at risk teens (google christo rey), young mothers etc....
So yeah, they are against abortion --- that hardly makes them evil misongynists.
Now what I have always wondered was the silence from pro choice groups when it deals with women getting forced abortions in China, or the amount of female fetus' being aborted in India and China merely because they are female. No, don't want to talk about that! God forbid the prochoice community admit that abortion has been used for anything other then rape and incest victims
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: South Central PA
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They do.
They are also against nuclear proliferation.....back when that was a more pressing issue (1980-1990ish) priests were routinely being arrested outside the military base where I live.
They are also against prosecuting illegal immigrants to the point of using their churches as 'sanctuaries'....check out Chicago if you want to see what their local priests are doing about that.
They are also for helping pregnant women whether they decide to keep their baby or make an adoptive plan by housing them and educating them.
They are also known for housing and helping women (with their children) break away from abusive relationships, rehab from drug and alcohol addiction.
They help the homeless (and not just at Thanksgiving), they help settle political refugees and they help rehab poor neighborhoods by allowing poorer people to buy houses.

Basically, with the exception of abortion and homosexuality (which I will give them points for preaching that being a homosexual is not a sin) Roman Catholicism is actually a very liberal religion.
But, because their stance on the sanctity of life stretches from before birth, during good times and bad through old age and death they are somehow villianized as being 'conservative' amongst the worlds religions. I'll never understand that.
And that's why you'll find a fair amount of catholics that vote democratic. Even those that are opposed to abortion recognize the fact that it's a personal choice and not one in which the government should regulate.
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