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Old 11-22-2008, 11:01 AM
 
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Very possible that it is completely irrelevant. This is one argument for homosexuality that should be viewed as intolerable to both straight and homosexual people. We as human beings were permenantly seperated from the animals when our brains evolved into cognitive thinking machines. Using the "animal instincts" of creatures below our mental capabilities to lend credibility to homosexual tendencies in humans is ludicrous. Animals run on instincts. Such as the instinct to survive and to breed. If a dog scents a female in season, he is liable to hump just about anything in range. I myself had to put one of my dogs down several years ago because he jumped on a little girl who was playing in my yard. He did not hurt her, but he was attracted to her because it turned out she had a female dog at home who was in heat. He smelled the scent, and instinct took over. And that is my point. We humans do not act on instinct. Ours have been dulled by our evolved brains. So the animal argument is completely ridiculous.
So you're saying that it's a ridiculous argument for both homosexuals and heterosexuals to use?
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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I had a homosexual brother who died from AIDS back in the 90's, and he was not molested. His sexual orientation became to be obvious during his teen years. There wasn't much of a male rolemodel in his life so maybe that contributed to it (but I don't believe so).

I have tried for years to come to terms with his lifestyle but always accepted him and took care of him in those final horrible months. I still, though, can't agree with homosexuality but I feel that individuals have a right to choose their own way of life as long as it is not hurting someone elses.
Why does one choose one way over another? Who knows, really.
My son had a gay uncle who died from AIDS in the early 90's. He was one of my closest friends. I truly understand your pain and my heart goes out to you and your family. His fathers' side of the family had several lesbian members as well. There were personal details (which I will not divulge on a message board) in relation to rape/incest in their family history that I personally believe links and explains quite a bit, but I digress.

That being said, I think the gay community would fare much better in terms of tolerance (as opposed to forced acceptance) which I believe would eventually lead to acceptance, if they would simply be who they are and: stop verbally and physically attacking those who disagree with their lifestyle being forced to accept and acknowledge it as mainstream, as opposed to living your life the way you choose, whether mainstream acknowledges it as "normal" or not.

As a heterosexual black woman, the things I find most offensive: Gay pride parades (where lewd lacivious behavior is so unnecessary), over the top PDA's between gays or hetero is disgusting, deliberate and unnecessary flamboyant behavior to scream their sexual preference, gay women trying to convince me they can "service me" better than a man; and as someone who marched during the civil rights movement and can attest to the fact that there is no comparison: Please stop linking your cause to the black civil rights movement, there is no comparison and there are vast differences between what you deem discrimination of sexuality vs. racial discrimination.

I did not state the above to be flamed or personally attack, that is merely my 2 cents.

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Old 11-22-2008, 11:07 AM
 
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my son had a gay uncle who died from aids in the early 90's. He was one of my closest friends. I truly understand your pain and my heart goes out to you and your family. That being said, his fathers' side of the family had several lesbian members as well. There were personal details (which i will not divulge on a message board) in relation to rape/incest in their family history that i personally believe links and explains quite a bit.

That being said, i think the gay community would fare much better in terms of tolerance (as opposed to forced acceptance) which i believe would eventually lead to acceptance, if they would simply be who they are and: Stop verbal and attacking; and suing those who have just as much right to disagree with their lifestyle.

As a heterosexual woman, the things i find most offensive: Gay pride parades (where lewd lacivious behavior is so unnecessary), over the top pda's between gays or hetero is disgusting, deliberate and unnecessary flamboyant behavior to scream their sexual preference, gay women trying to convince me they can "service me" better than a man; and as someone who marched during the civil rights movement and can attest to the fact that there is no comparision: Please stop linking your cause to the black civil rights movement, there is no comparison and vast differences between issues of both groups of people.

I did not state the above to be flamed or personally attack, that is merely my 2 cents.
excellent post. Thank you!
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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isn't it funny mscconne if you don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle then it is hate speech? They use words like weapons over and over, words like bigot, hate speech, etc. They must paint us with a broad brush that we hate and they have love. It is a big lie! The truth is twisted. In reality their lifestyle is not only harmful to them but to us in many ways. It does not stop in the bedroom they want to put on pornographic displays, they want to teach our children to be gay, they really do have an agenda. I have a new book called "The Agenda The Homosexual Plan To Change America by Rev. Louis P. Sheldon. I recommend that you and other get that book, it goes into great detail as to what their agenda really is. They will vehemently deny this and am sure they will accuses Rev Shelton of hate. There is also the Amercian Family Association, etc. Do search on the web for more information. We are in a battle in these last days between good and evil.
Then what do you want homosexuals to do? To keep themselves a closely guarded secret and to say "Hell, no! whenever they're ask, "Are you a homosexual?"
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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It could be that, then again it could well be that the majority of homosexuals actually have been molested or experienced some other form of traumatization related to sex.

Who knows?
As a heterosexual female, of course you really do not know what makes a person gay.

I would suggest you research the APA web site, otherwise what you say may be interpreted as rumor..

PS I do not know of any gay or lesbian friends who were molested or experienced childhood trauma.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:18 AM
 
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PS I do not know of any gay or lesbian friends who were molested or experienced childhood trauma.
Same here. Most gays and lesbians I know where not molested, or haven't say. Only one gay guy I know did though. I also know that my cousin (male) and a best friend (female) who are both married with children were molested as children. I guess they must be gay anyway? I guess some straight people have to find some ridiculous reason why people 'turn' gay. They just can't accept that people are born like that. Sad.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:22 AM
 
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Then what do you want homosexuals to do? To keep themselves a closely guarded secret and to say "Hell, no! whenever they're ask, "Are you a homosexual?"
Nobody appreciates "In Your Face!" behavior.

Let me give you an example...

Last summer, my wife & I went to the Feist concert at Memorial Park, here in Omaha. And wouldn't you know it, we managed to sit behind some stupid, half-drunk, obnoxious bimbo. She INSISTED on running around, hugging and kissing EVERY male that walked into the area, and yelling and yapping constantly.

Guess what? I did NOT like her! I did NOT appreciate her throwing her boobs on everybody and blowing her beer breath in my face.

Am I a Heterophobe? A Boobophobe? A Beerophobe? No. I just don't like obnoxious people who get in my face and act stupid.

There are a lot of in-your-face homosexuals who need to think about their own behavior. It's not the homosexuality that's offensive. It's the obnoxious behavior.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:37 AM
 
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As a heterosexual female, of course you really do not know what makes a person gay.

I would suggest you research the APA web site, otherwise what you say may be interpreted as rumor..

PS I do not know of any gay or lesbian friends who were molested or experienced childhood trauma.

First and foremost, you can put your "dukes" down. Had you read my posts and disclaimers without seeing red, you would know that I professed to not be an expert but am simply voicing my opinion.

As for the APA website thank you but, I have no interest in researching the topic. As for who you know who was not molested? Those I know were, so basically, what it boils down to is the gay people that I know vs. those you know simply had different sexual experiences. The experiences of either group neither confirms or denies whether or not their experiences is a contributory factor in the determination of their homosexuality. It does, however, leave open the door of the list of possible reasons.

Again, it was just my opinion based on my personal experiences.

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Old 11-22-2008, 11:37 AM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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Nobody appreciates "In Your Face!" behavior.

Let me give you an example...

Last summer, my wife & I went to the Feist concert at Memorial Park, here in Omaha. And wouldn't you know it, we managed to sit behind some stupid, half-drunk, obnoxious bimbo. She INSISTED on running around, hugging and kissing EVERY male that walked into the area, and yelling and yapping constantly.

Guess what? I did NOT like her! I did NOT appreciate her throwing her boobs on everybody and blowing her beer breath in my face.

Am I a Heterophobe? A Boobophobe? A Beerophobe? No. I just don't like obnoxious people who get in my face and act stupid.


There are a lot of in-your-face homosexuals who need to think about their own behavior. It's not the homosexuality that's offensive. It's the obnoxious behavior.
What obnoxious behavior is bothering you? Can you give us a valid example that doesn't involve a parade?
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Old 11-22-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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What obnoxious behavior is bothering you? Can you give us a valid example that doesn't involve a parade?
There is every likelihood that we also had homosexuals around us at this concert. If there were, however, I missed them - probably both because I forgot to turn on my gaydar, and because they were simply behaving themselves.

Now... Look around at this forum. Virtually every thread gets highjacked by some in-your-face gay, who wants to make everything into a homosexual issue. One such obnoxious person even managed to turn a thread about a Light Rail System in Omaha into a gay rant.

I'm just thinking, "Shut up already!" Everything isn't about sex, sexual orientation or sexual choices. The light rail system has nothing to do with sex. Restaurants have nothing to do with sex.


If homosexuals want to be respected, just behave decently. Don't be flaunting your sexuality in everybody's faces. I'd say the EXACT same thing to heterosexuals who were doing the same thing. Shut up about it.
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