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Logging is an inherently dangerous and I certainly wouldn't consider it a career path. I'd take bartender over that any day if safety was my main concern. If my employer was asking me to do something dangerous I tell them to kiss my ass.
Furthermore as the majority of employers will not allow smoking there will be a plethora of jobs available where this not a cocern, what is the issue?
The issue is that all establishments that serve and hire the public should be healthy and safe whenever possible. Eliminating the second-hand smoke which has been proven to cause cancer from ALL indoor public places should be a no brainer. The unhealthy habits of some shouldn't impact the health of others. And I was a former smoker that never smoked around non-smokers or in places I though my smoking would impact others negatively.
its like the old story where a man was traveling on the train , in England i think , he was enjoying his cigar after a fine meal. Now, there was no smoking car on the train , like today ,so everyone was mixed. A woman was setting a few rows away, with a small dog on her lap spotted the cigar smoker, she started to remark loudly , directing her words to the gentleman with the cigar. "would you please throw that stinky thing out the window now,its foul, is a dirty habit , and i demand you comply"! the man tried to ignore this woman, suddenly she jumped from her seat, came over and snatched the cigar from his hand and threw it out the window, then returned to her seat, feeling satisfied she had rid the train car from the evils of cigars......calmly the man stood up and proceeded to approach the loud woman with the dog. " MAM , i hate small dogs , they stink, bark as loud as you talk, and can have flees , ""i dislike small dogs"" He then picked up the small dog from the woman's lap, and threw the dog out the window ! saying no more he returned to his seat , feeling satisfied he had returned the favor.......
The issue is that all establishments that serve and hire the public should be healthy and safe whenever possible. Eliminating the second-hand smoke which has been proven to cause cancer from ALL indoor public places should be a no brainer. The unhealthy habits of some shouldn't impact the health of others. And I was a former smoker that never smoked around non-smokers or in places I though my smoking would impact others negatively.
all good points........now , why do you suppose they allow smoking in casinos ?
I recently toured an old school manufacturing plant and the place was littered with cigarette butts. If you applied there and insisted they abide by anti smoking laws who is that would be interfering with who?
The only vote that should count here is who owns the place.
no , thats not reality. today its a state law in most states ,smoking is not allowed in the work place. i am aware of several shops where everyone on the floor smokes. in one case the company was over 100 years old.....would you want to risk the health of the company by not complying with the law? ( I do not mean the health issue from smoking ) And , along that line , stopping to light up , has proven to effect the loss of man hours over a long period of time, so , take say 100 smokers and 100 non smokers, who would win the game of getting out more product ?...........I can see putting out tables on the lawn far from the doors for those addicted., and many places have done that over the years for workers on a break. The problem now, is even that area is off limits in many cases due to state, Federal, and local laws, then there is the fire hazard too.
your debate here is so full of holes, i find it hard to even address . however , just take one hole, the respect for the law. That means the right to work where you want, as long as you do not interfere with other workers. Smokers should required to obey the rules at the same level as all the other workers in all fairness , the vote must go for the majority. if you still want to smoke in the company of others , join or form a private smoking club, where everyone has a vote.
Once the non smokers lose the first round it always goes to this. No one started out talking about the workplace. We were talking customers in bars and restaurants.
But if you apply for a job where smoking is allowed like in a bar, then how would you later have a right to demand it be stopped? Now I could see if you applied at a non smoking bar and they went smoking after you were hired. But even then, where did you get this right to work where you want idea? It is not in the Constitution anywhere that I can see.
I don't smoke, but I have to disagree with bans. If you don't like a restaurant that allows smoking, don't go. If enough people agree with you they will change or fold. I find it funny when anti smokers think they are on the moral high ground and have the right to dictate what other people can do.
I notice they never just borrow the money and open places that cater to their fellow believers. If I borrowed/invested the money, the time and took the risk to open my own business I would expect to allow any legal activity I wanted. Please don't resort to stupid questions like, would I allow drugs or prostitution. Try to stay on topic. If you hate smoking so much open your own place or quit frequenting places that allow it. But don't assume you have the right to tell others what to do.
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Hey! Let's dig up a thread from 8 years ago!
