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Old 03-28-2015, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by Eddyline View Post
Good post! I wonder where some of these people live?

Smoking inside a public space has been illegal here for a long time.

And these smoking advocates amaze me.

No only do they justify poisoning themselves.

They want the right to poison others.
I do not advocate smoking. I do advocate for private property rights. Let the customers punish the bar owner if second hand smoke is so bad.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I'll be the traitor among smokers and share a part of our manifesto.

As a smoker, I shall be as inconsiderate as possible and seek out asmatics(screw the spelling, I'm an inconsiderate smoker) to blow my smoke upon. I shall also make it a point to blow smoke on men, women, children, cats and members of protected classes.

Thee are three groups of people in this country. There are smokers, non-smokers, and anti-smokers. The first two can manage to coexist with little trouble. The anti-smokers are the ones who are the biggest problem. I'd equate the anti-smoker to a 1950's racist. They hate smokers because they smoke. There is no rational reason to hate them, other than they smoke. Smokers pollute the sidewalks, inflame asthma, carry viruses like rats, whatever the argument of the week is.

Face it, anti-smokers, you just hate smokers.

Smokers pay taxes on every pack they buy. Smokers pay higher health insurance premiums. Smokers now have to stand outside in the dead of winter to puff a stogie. Smokers are now outcasts.

Now, imagine smokers all quitting tomorrow. What replaces all of that tax revenue? What replaces all of the sales revenue? We can go on and on.....

Imagine your perfect little smoke-free world. Where do the extra tax dollars come from to make up for the nasty smokers (who are disgusting and filthy)? Yep. You get to cover that. By the way, according to Wikipedia, the lowest tax in the country is in Missouri at 17 cents per pack. The highest tax is $4.35 per pack in New York. I've been told it costs more than $12 to buy a pack of smoked in New York City. (Kinda dispells the myth that smokers are poor)


How about all you anti-smokers crunch some numbers and see what your little crusade will cost you before you keep shooting off at your mouths. You might find yourselves on the bad end of a tax increase. Hey, let the stupid poor people pay the tax. Or you can pour money out of your own pocket in the name of your self-rightousness. And I really don't care how that should have been spelled.
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:27 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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I was joking
I really knew that, as I got higher on the soap box it was hard to stop....or quit !
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:41 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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I do not advocate smoking. I do advocate for private property rights. Let the customers punish the bar owner if second hand smoke is so bad.
Yes, see how that works , not so well in the casino's, the only good thing is all that smoke keeps me from loosing too much at the slot machines.... Seriously I do bring up the casino problem, no one wants to bite? It's simple however, just put all the smokers in one place like the casino. Even those of us that are tolerant find it hard to get a breath if we like to gamble ! One things for sure there won't be two casinos one for smokers and one for the rest of us.....and by the way cigarettes are cheaper on the reservation, along with gasoline.
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:46 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Originally Posted by spankys bbq View Post
I'll be the traitor among smokers and share a part of our manifesto.

As a smoker, I shall be as inconsiderate as possible and seek out asmatics(screw the spelling, I'm an inconsiderate smoker) to blow my smoke upon. I shall also make it a point to blow smoke on men, women, children, cats and members of protected classes.

Thee are three groups of people in this country. There are smokers, non-smokers, and anti-smokers. The first two can manage to coexist with little trouble. The anti-smokers are the ones who are the biggest problem. I'd equate the anti-smoker to a 1950's racist. They hate smokers because they smoke. There is no rational reason to hate them, other than they smoke. Smokers pollute the sidewalks, inflame asthma, carry viruses like rats, whatever the argument of the week is.

Face it, anti-smokers, you just hate smokers.

Smokers pay taxes on every pack they buy. Smokers pay higher health insurance premiums. Smokers now have to stand outside in the dead of winter to puff a stogie. Smokers are now outcasts.

Now, imagine smokers all quitting tomorrow. What replaces all of that tax revenue? What replaces all of the sales revenue? We can go on and on.....

Imagine your perfect little smoke-free world. Where do the extra tax dollars come from to make up for the nasty smokers (who are disgusting and filthy)? Yep. You get to cover that. By the way, according to Wikipedia, the lowest tax in the country is in Missouri at 17 cents per pack. The highest tax is $4.35 per pack in New York. I've been told it costs more than $12 to buy a pack of smoked in New York City. (Kinda dispells the myth that smokers are poor)


How about all you anti-smokers crunch some numbers and see what your little crusade will cost you before you keep shooting off at your mouths. You might find yourselves on the bad end of a tax increase. Hey, let the stupid poor people pay the tax. Or you can pour money out of your own pocket in the name of your self-rightousness. And I really don't care how that should have been spelled.
Take a look at Canada and see how they handle it , with the very high taxes, I am sure there are comparisons out there.
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Old 03-28-2015, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Yes, see how that works , not so well in the casino's, the only good thing is all that smoke keeps me from loosing too much at the slot machines.... Seriously I do bring up the casino problem, no one wants to bite? It's simple however, just put all the smokers in one place like the casino. Even those of us that are tolerant find it hard to get a breath if we like to gamble ! One things for sure there won't be two casinos one for smokers and one for the rest of us.....and by the way cigarettes are cheaper on the reservation, along with gasoline.
The casinos choose to allow smoking. They must think it is more profitable to do so.

You want your rules applied at someone else's property.

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Old 03-28-2015, 05:32 AM
 
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booze does not smell in an open environment , perfume does, just like smoke. THE people must decide by vote.
People should "vote" on their own.

If you are allergic to smoke, don't go to a place that allows smoking. It is THAT simple.

NO ONE is forcing you to go to a specific place. Go to another.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:37 AM
 
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The issue is that all establishments that serve and hire the public should be healthy and safe whenever possible. Eliminating the second-hand smoke which has been proven to cause cancer from ALL indoor public places should be a no brainer. The unhealthy habits of some shouldn't impact the health of others. And I was a former smoker that never smoked around non-smokers or in places I though my smoking would impact others negatively.
"second-hand smoke which has been proven to cause cancer from ALL indoor public places should be a no brainer.' Use YOUR brain and read my post #177.
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Old 03-28-2015, 06:00 AM
 
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I disagree with your premise, " that nicotine addiction is a serious addiction"

It is NOT an addiction. It is a habit.

I know way too many people who have quit cold turkey WITHOUT ANY "medical" help.

Drug use is an "addiction" that usually CANNOT be cured without help.
Naw. Nicotine is definitely a drug and it's addicting. I smoked for 4 years. I quit cold turkey in 2006, but I can assure you it was rough. I found out that my wife was pregnant with our first child and I realized that I didn't want my kid to grow up in a house with a smoker. My parents smoked and it was awful. I couldn't do that to my own kid.

It's been almost 9 years since I quit, and I can honestly say that quitting was one of the best decisions of my life. I'll never touch another cigarette.
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Old 03-28-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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I do not advocate smoking. I do advocate for private property rights. Let the customers punish the bar owner if second hand smoke is so bad.

We accept limits on our use of private property all the time to have a civilized society.
I can't drive my car (private property) down a residential street at 120 mph.
I can't shoot my gun (private property) in a residential area.
I can't play my stereo (private property) at full volume at 3 am.

It can also be argued that the air in the bar is not private property.

As a society we have decided that the public good sometimes trumps private property rights, and IMO, that is usually a good thing.
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