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Old 09-06-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Tribal casinos allow smoking, amazing how many people go there. and many are non-smokers. Second hand smoke is bs science, no scientist ever listed just how many ppm there has to be in the air to assure you will get cancer. Its just pc hype. Just like global warming.
They don't allow smoking in the entire casino. I went to Turning Stone 6 weeks ago for a concert, and there wasn't any smoking in the areas I was in, and that included the Event Center and the main lobby.
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Old 09-06-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Tests have proven that it kills.
Tests have proven that it doesn't kill.

Well, looks like we are at an impasse.
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Old 09-06-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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I remember my parents forcing me to go into restaurants that people smoked inside of. I still resent them for it.
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Old 09-06-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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Here in Minnesota we have been dealing with a smoking ban on restaurants and bars. The ban was struck down state-wide, except in the counties that surround Minneapolis/St. Paul. Many people are upset that smoking is not allowed in public places. I for one am extremely happy for this because I simply don't like the smell of cigarette smoke and all other types. My wife and kids have severe asthma so that is yet a more important reason for not wanting to be around the smoke.

Many people of course are whining that their rights are being taken away by these bans that have been in place for about a year now. My take on it is what about the rights of nonsmokers? What about the rights of people like my young kids who have asthma and can't go out to restaurants if there is a smoking section? It's a controversy where there are no winners...and everyone loses...like my mother-in-law who died due to smoking.
Why do you consider your mother in law a loser? Because she died from smoking? Hate to break it to you, but you are not going to live forever either. While it is surely not a healthy habit, and not a vice that I would consider worthwhile, the hysteria surrounding second hand smoke is ridiculously overblown.

I find that many people who have strong opinions about this are not REALLY motivated by any hard science to substantiate their position. It's more about being able to snub smokers, a one-upsmanship game where they like to make it appear they they are better than the evil degenerate smokers.
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Old 09-06-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Why do you consider your mother in law a loser? Because she died from smoking? Hate to break it to you, but you are not going to live forever either. While it is surely not a healthy habit, and not a vice that I would consider worthwhile, the hysteria surrounding second hand smoke is ridiculously overblown.

I find that many people who have strong opinions about this are not REALLY motivated by any hard science to substantiate their position. It's more about being able to snub smokers, a one-upsmanship game where they like to make it appear they they are better than the evil degenerate smokers.
I've felt like this for a while as well.

I drive past dead skunks on my way to work all the time, smell stinky air, deal with it and move on.

If I pass someone smoking a cigarette and i get a whiff, I ignore it and move on.

If someone farts in the elevator I deal with it, I don't try to outlaw farting in public.

If I go to a smoky dive bar somewhere, I deal with it - I chose to go there. If I found it offensive I wouldn't. I don't tell the person owning the building they cant do that, and then go online and whine incessantly about it.

There is no right to be comfortable 100% of the time, there is no right to never be offended, and dealing effectively with situations that you dislike is part of life.
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Old 09-06-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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I remember my parents forcing me to go into restaurants that people smoked inside of. I still resent them for it.
. Everyone smoked everywhere at one point.
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Old 09-06-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Why do you consider your mother in law a loser? Because she died from smoking? Hate to break it to you, but you are not going to live forever either. While it is surely not a healthy habit, and not a vice that I would consider worthwhile, the hysteria surrounding second hand smoke is ridiculously overblown.

I find that many people who have strong opinions about this are not REALLY motivated by any hard science to substantiate their position. It's more about being able to snub smokers, a one-upsmanship game where they like to make it appear they they are better than the evil degenerate smokers.
Yep.
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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I've felt like this for a while as well.

I drive past dead skunks on my way to work all the time, smell stinky air, deal with it and move on.

If I pass someone smoking a cigarette and i get a whiff, I ignore it and move on.

If someone farts in the elevator I deal with it, I don't try to outlaw farting in public.

If I go to a smoky dive bar somewhere, I deal with it - I chose to go there. If I found it offensive I wouldn't. I don't tell the person owning the building they cant do that, and then go online and whine incessantly about it.

There is no right to be comfortable 100% of the time, there is no right to never be offended, and dealing effectively with situations that you dislike is part of life.
Excellent post!
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I've felt like this for a while as well.

I drive past dead skunks on my way to work all the time, smell stinky air, deal with it and move on.

If I pass someone smoking a cigarette and i get a whiff, I ignore it and move on.

If someone farts in the elevator I deal with it, I don't try to outlaw farting in public.

If I go to a smoky dive bar somewhere, I deal with it - I chose to go there. If I found it offensive I wouldn't. I don't tell the person owning the building they cant do that, and then go online and whine incessantly about it.

There is no right to be comfortable 100% of the time, there is no right to never be offended, and dealing effectively with situations that you dislike is part of life.
- Dead skunks and other dead animals are a naturally occurring phenomenon.
- Farting is a naturally occurring phenomenon, though certainly if somebody did it in an elevator it would be normal and expected for others in the elevator to frown upon them.
- Smoking, on the other hand, is NOT a naturally occurring phenomenon. Nobody HAS to smoke, it's not required to live like eating or drinking, nor is a natural byproduct of dying, nor is it any sort of biological function. As a result, it's perfectly OK to ban it in public, because it is completely unnecessary for survival. Same with drinking in public and similar vices. You can go do those in places where they are explicitly allowed.
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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smoke 'em if you got 'em
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