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Who acres. To me Thanksgiving is about being with my family sitting down watching some football (GO TEXAS) and just hanging out. Whatever the history it's isnt about that anymore. Do you think the pilgrims had cranberry sauce in a can or green bean casserole? no, but those are pretty popular today.It's more than a little old when people try to ruin a holiday because things 300+ years ago werent the same as they are today.
they sat with the friendly savages (those that were not out to kill or rape them)
they shared food. this would be in keeping with pilgrim traditions not much of a wild story.
they ate what they could get their hands on. why make something evil out of a good event? its a time of gratitude to god. not a time to smear them no?
just a bunch of people trying to stay alive nothing more. are there some pilgrims still around you dont like friend?
They are not around, but some of us ascendance still are
I branch from the Brewster family which came over on the Mayflower, more specifically through the family line of his son Love Brewster.
There has been several books of recipes from that time period that included of all things Raccoon as a food that was most likely ate at the table.
Our family finds thanksgiving to be a very important holiday to us, even though it was not an official holiday until set by Lincoln
You have watched to many hollywierd neo-history movies havent you
Unfortunately, the European's inhumanity to the Native American is not only true, but at times more heinous than we'd like to admit--and it carries on today, courtesy of the U.S. Government.
Unfortunately, the European's inhumanity to the Native American is not only true, but at times more heinous than we'd like to admit--and it carries on today, courtesy of the U.S. Government.
Sounds like you need a good 'ole fashioned scalping.
Sounds like you need to pull your head out of the ground if you believe otherwise.
Care to cite any facts?
We are talking about the Separatist Puritans, not the average European. Maybe we should be quoting primary source material instead of relying on myth, as the first post suggested.
*The Pilgrims did not steal food, but they did use the buried baskets of corn to plant and then they replaced what they used.
*Samoset and Squanto, two English speaking Native Americans, taught the Puritans to find food in their new surroundings.
*The first Thanksgiving was a three - four day celebration with both cultures sharing food as well as cultural activities.
No one who knows their history will deny there were atrocities on both sides of the conflicts between the Colonial/Pioneer Americans and the Native Americans, but such is the nature of conquest. Native tribes sought conquest over one another as well. The Natives put up a good and noble fight and they lost - plain and simple. If the Colonial and Pioneer Americans had lost, it would also have been plain and simple - war and conquest have been the unfortunate history of man.
Someone mentioned Kevin Costner...he built a casino in the sacred Black Hills in Lakotah territory. The Lakotah took him to court so they would receive the maximum benefit from the Casino...not to save their sacred land, but to get proceeds from tourism, yet on their website (Republic of Lakotah) they "welcome all self-sufficient people..." The Lakotah are one of the three Sioux tribes and the movie Dances with Wolves was about the plight of the Sioux.
Facts are much more interesting than conjecture and myth.
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We are talking about the Separatist Puritans, not the average European. Maybe we should be quoting primary source material instead of relying on myth, as the first post suggested.
*The Pilgrims did not steal food, but they did use the buried baskets of corn to plant and then they replaced what they used.
*Samoset and Squanto, two English speaking Native Americans, taught the Puritans to find food in their new surroundings.
*The first Thanksgiving was a three - four day celebration with both cultures sharing food as well as cultural activities.
No one who knows their history will deny there were atrocities on both sides of the conflicts between the Colonial/Pioneer Americans and the Native Americans, but such is the nature of conquest. Native tribes sought conquest over one another as well. The Natives put up a good and noble fight and they lost - plain and simple. If the Colonial and Pioneer Americans had lost, it would also have been plain and simple - war and conquest have been the unfortunate history of man.
Someone mentioned Kevin Costner...he built a casino in the sacred Black Hills in Lakotah territory. The Lakotah took him to court so they would receive the maximum benefit from the Casino...not to save their sacred land, but to get proceeds from tourism, yet on their website (Republic of Lakotah) they "welcome all self-sufficient people..." The Lakotah are one of the three Sioux tribes and the movie Dances with Wolves was about the plight of the Sioux.
Facts are much more interesting than conjecture and myth.
No, actually they're not. That's why threads like this one end up going on this long!
How sacred could the Black Hills have been to the Sioux anyway? They'd only recently driven the original Kiowas and Crows out of the neighborhood after the Chippewas had chased the Sioux out of the upper Great Lakes country as part of the Chippewa-Ottawa bid for supremacy in the fur trade, an outgrowth of the Iroquois initiated Beaver Wars.
The Domino Theory in the pays den haute.
And there were Indians scalping each other when the Europeans arrived, afterall trophy taking is hardly unusual in tribal cultures. My Irish ancestors were head hunters.
Its a holiday based on evil lets be done with it,all the other holidays too...
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neo-history movies havent you
