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Old 05-04-2007, 07:58 PM
 
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I think what "LeavingFlorida" meant was who gives a poopi about Polar Bears? J/K FLorida--

Bears like "PEOPLE", need to adjust, aclimate, change, modify, reinvent themselves-- hey -- look a the roach-- over the million or so years Earth has been spinning-- they have done quite nicely for themselves. If the roach can do it so can bears-- and the DODO birds was shot and killed by people not by global warming along with a million and one other extinct or close to extinct animals killed for sensless reasons-OH I know one-- like Aphrodisiac powders so men can get robo chubbies.... yeesh... thats sharp.
I give a poopi about those bears. Maybe the bears are "safe" from hunters, but don't you think the possibility of them disappearing for good seems legitimate? I mean, the ice caps on which they hunt are disappearing and so are the bears themselves and their food supply of seals. I think the bears' fate as a whole is pretty much sealed. I mean, where else can they fill a niche? The POLAR region is where they belong. They're called polar bears, after all, aren't they?
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Old 05-04-2007, 10:05 PM
 
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I give a poopi about those bears. Maybe the bears are "safe" from hunters, but don't you think the possibility of them disappearing for good seems legitimate? I mean, the ice caps on which they hunt are disappearing and so are the bears themselves and their food supply of seals. I think the bears' fate as a whole is pretty much sealed. I mean, where else can they fill a niche? The POLAR region is where they belong. They're called polar bears, after all, aren't they?
DO some research into how many polar bears there are today, compared to recent past, i wonder if the cavemen sat around worrying about the dinosuars, i know i am glad their not here now!
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Old 05-04-2007, 10:27 PM
 
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DO some research into how many polar bears there are today, compared to recent past, i wonder if the cavemen sat around worrying about the dinosuars, i know i am glad their not here now!
What are you saying? Are you hoping that the bears DO disappear?! Or am I missing something? Actually, I did do some research via Wikipedia's polar bear article and it clearly stated that the populace of 20,000 to 25,000 of these guys has been on the decline. Today, there are but 950 of these white-furred guys in Canada's Hudson Bay, so says the article, anyway. However, it says that 20 years ago, that population was an estimated 1200.

How do you like those apples?

And if that doesn't convince you, then take a look at this from another part of the article:

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THREATS: NATURAL AND UNNATURAL
The most immediate and topically recognized threats to the polar bear are the drastic changes taking place in their natural habitat, which is literally melting away due to global warming. The United States Geological Survey, for example, in November 2006, stated that the loss of sea ice in the Alaskan portion of the Beaufort Sea has lead to a higher death rate for polar bear cubs.

The Harvard University Gazette said:
*A 1999 study of polar bears on Hudson Bay showed that rising temperatures are thinning the pack ice from which the bears hunt, driving them to shore weeks before they've caught enough food to get them through hibernation.

The BBC reported:
* Climate change is threatening polar bears with starvation by shortening their hunting season, according to a study by scientists from the Canadian Wildlife Service.

There is also some concern over pollution in addition to the normal natural problems the bears might face. Reduced cub survival has been reported in connection with PCBs, as well as reports of organochlorines affecting the endocrine system and immune systems with lower immunoglobulin G seen with increasing PCB levels. The lipophilic PCBs are considered a serious threat to marine mammals generally and to their food web, quickly concentrating into fat and blubber. These and related compounds are known in mammals (including humans) to cause such things as abortion, still births, alteration of the menstrual cycle, poor growth and survival of young, carcinogenicity, immunotoxicity, and even outright lethality. Other classes of organohalogens have been found in polar bears, such as PCDDs, PCDFs, TCPMe and TCPMeOH. Hermaphroditic polar bears have now been observed in less pristine areas. While some countries now ban some of these substances, they are still produced in others, and still end up all over the entire planet including the formerly pristine arctic. Even after the use of these chemicals is stopped, they continue to accumulate up the food chain, including in marine mammals and humans, for some time to come.

The bears sometimes have problems with various skin diseases with dermatitis caused sometimes by mites or other parasites. The bears are especially susceptible to Trichinella, a parasitic roundworm they contract by eating infected seals. Sometimes excess heavy metals have been observed, as well as ethylene glycol (antifreeze) poisoning. Bears exposed to oil and petroleum products lose the insulative integrity of their coats, forcing metabolic rates to dramatically increase to maintain body heat in their challenging environment. Bacterial Leptospirosis, rabies and morbillivirus have been recorded. Interestingly, the bears are thought by some to be more resistant than other carnivores to viral disease. The pollutant effect on the bears' immune systems, however, may end up decreasing their ability to cope with the naturally present immunological threats it encounters, and in such a challenging habitat even minor weaknesses can lead to serious problems and quick death.
I reiterate, how do you like THOSE apples?
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Old 05-04-2007, 10:35 PM
 
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What are you saying? Are you hoping that the bears DO disappear?! Or am I missing something? Actually, I did do some research via Wikipedia's polar bear article and it clearly stated that the populace of 20,000 to 25,000 of these guys has been on the decline. Today, there are but 950 of these white-furred guys in Canada's Hudson Bay, so says the article, anyway. However, it says that 20 years ago, that population was an estimated 1200.

How do you like those apples?
Look, I'm not necessarily disagreeing that polar bears might be in danger...but please, look at your sources,man. Wikipedia is NOT a science journal. Maybe bears are dying, maybe they're stable...but get some real scientific evidence, either way....

this whole Polar bear thing has been publicized and illuminated by several recent TV shows, Global Warming articles, and other media...all pretty evidently leftist in nature. Let's look to the hard science; say, a polar bear science journal article/s and do the math. I ain't about to concede that Polar Bears are going to vanish tomorrow because of something in Wikipedia!
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Old 05-04-2007, 11:17 PM
 
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Look, I'm not necessarily disagreeing that polar bears might be in danger...but please, look at your sources,man. Wikipedia is NOT a science journal. Maybe bears are dying, maybe they're stable...but get some real scientific evidence, either way....

this whole Polar bear thing has been publicized and illuminated by several recent TV shows, Global Warming articles, and other media...all pretty evidently leftist in nature. Let's look to the hard science; say, a polar bear science journal article/s and do the math. I ain't about to concede that Polar Bears are going to vanish tomorrow because of something in Wikipedia!
I know what you mean and I admit that Wikipedia is not the most concise resource in the world, but I don't need to go far to get information, because there is a section in the article on references from which much of the information comes. And some of said references do agree that polar bears' lives are at stake.
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Old 05-05-2007, 04:27 AM
 
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Perhaps you remember this photo, from Al Gore presentations, and from newspapers and magazines that use it as a global warming "evidence" photo. The problem?

The Canadian Ice Service distributed the photo as a sign of polar bears in danger. They also allowed the photo to be misrepresented as being taken further north than it actually was. They also allowed it to be presented as a photo taken in early spring, when in fact it was taken in August. This photo's origin is an Australian photographer who is very irritated at the misrepresentation the photo has gotten in the press. And even though the press stories behind the photo have been thoroughly debunked, it continues to circulate as "proof" of rapid ice melting.



This is how the alarmist move works, they try to shock you and scare you so you are so worried about stuff you don't stop to figure out the facts.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:26 AM
 
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What are gonna do? Who's to blame for global warming here? Is it natural or man-made? Also, are you sure man is only contributing a minor, if any, amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? Finally, I heard rumors that this year would be one the hottest years, period. You know how I know? Because they scientists said so at the start of the year, that's how. And if these unusually mild winters we had are any indication, I'd say the scientists are pretty much correct in predicting the hot temperatures.

Then again, they did blow last year's hurricane season. So maybe they'll blow this year's heat season. But who knows...
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:11 PM
 
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Default I say, "Polar Bear Poopi"

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I give a poopi about those bears. Maybe the bears are "safe" from hunters, but don't you think the possibility of them disappearing for good seems legitimate? I mean, the ice caps on which they hunt are disappearing and so are the bears themselves and their food supply of seals. I think the bears' fate as a whole is pretty much sealed. I mean, where else can they fill a niche? The POLAR region is where they belong. They're called polar bears, after all, aren't they?
Just over two weeks ago, more than 100 ships were trapped in the pack ice. At one time, there were up to 600 sailors stuck in the ice floes above Newfoundland. The Ice is still there! They are quite capable of existing on green firma terra if need be. Those bears don't have to Poopi on ice.

Hunters? The numbers of polar bear numbers are as or higher than ever. I can suggest plenty of niches, should the numbers of bears should grow beyond subtainability in the icy north. Up and down both coasts there are seals and sea lions reeking havoc to watercraft, docks, salmon population, etc., not to leave out the fecal mater left behind.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:02 AM
 
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Well all I know is it does seem to be getting warmer. How could we humans realize our power over the Earth, considering the fact that the Industrial Revolution happened only a few hundred years ago?

I DO worry when I think of China getting billions of cars.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:04 AM
 
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Well even if the eco people are being alarmist, what's the worst case scenario? I don't see any harm coming out of protecting the environment.

If I had my way EVERY single new house built in the Southwest and Florida would be required to be at least 50 percent solar powered. Solar power and wind power: free and nonpolluting.

Why not err on the side of caution? Better safe than sorry when it comes to the environment. Some things cannot be undone.
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