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Old 02-25-2007, 07:12 AM
 
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Do people really care about this catastrophy edging in upon us? Take one look at what has been happening to the polar bears. Why are so many people ignoring the issue? Why are companies allowed to continue the mad assault of polluting the planet. Why are people not planting more trees? Why is deforestation still going on? 50 years is not very far away. 50 years is the point where they predict survival will be on the brink. What about food production, our corn crops, wheat crops, apples etc..... Global warming will impact these quicker then we think, but no one talks about the effect...
I for one am Worried........
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Old 02-25-2007, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Missouri
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Do people really care about this catastrophy edging in upon us? Take one look at what has been happening to the polar bears. Why are so many people ignoring the issue? Why are companies allowed to continue the mad assault of polluting the planet. Why are people not planting more trees? Why is deforestation still going on? 50 years is not very far away. 50 years is the point where they predict survival will be on the brink. What about food production, our corn crops, wheat crops, apples etc..... Global warming will impact these quicker then we think, but no one talks about the effect...
I for one am Worried........
I am not worried about it. I don't believe that humans make enough of a contribution to even affect global climate. I do think we've gone through a warming cycle, but it isn't warmer than cycles in the past. In fact, our hottest summers in the 2000's don't equal 1935/6.
I think it's related to the sun and sun cycles and that it goes in cycles.
There is also proof that the world isn't melting. Antarctic ice has been growing for years and the temperatures have been "falling", not rising. The east coast of Greenland has growing ice fields, not shrinking ice fields. Kathmandu, Nepal just had its first snowstorm since 1944 and last winter was the coldest in 50 years in Russia and eastern Europe. This year its North America that getting a cold winter.
I think it's clear that climate is variable and not stable, but it's not out of the ordinary.
I'm not worried at all. If anything, there's evidence building that we might be on the brink of entering a global cooling. That would be disastrous too, but mankind won't affect it.
I think the focus should be CLEANING the environment, which means reducing pollution and contamination and working to help the natural environment recover. But that makes good sense anyway. It has nothing to do with temperature controls which we cannot control anyway.

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Old 02-25-2007, 09:17 AM
 
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oh man you need to do some research. You must be reading things backwards. Every global scientist in the world has agreed on the warming influenced by man. Whoa go read some literature
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Missouri
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No MacBunny, I think you need to do some research and "read some literature". To make such an assinine statement is indicative of your ignorance of the topic. Not "every" global scientist agrees that the warming is significantly caused by man. Despite what you might believe - and it sounds like you haven't researched it at all - there is no consensus either about global warming or the influence of man on global climate change. There is no absolute conclusion and no one truly knows what causes climate fluctuation.

"S. Fred Singer, an atmospheric physicist with the University of Virginia and the Environmental Policy Project says: "The balance of evidence suggests that there has been no appreciable warming since 1940. This would indicate that the human effects on climate must be quite small."

Dr. Ulrich Berner, a geologist with the Federal Institute for Geosciences in Germany, said global temperatures have varied greatly in the earth's history and are unrelated to human activity.

Try the greenmyths UK site also:
1- Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from groundstation readings which are inflated due to the 'urban heat island effect' i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming...and it is these, 'false high' ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out
2- 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!

As to your claim that "Every global scientist has agreed on the warming caused by man":
"An Open Letter to Prime Minister Harper" (Canada)
-Excerpt:
"Climate change is real" is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural "noise."

Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont. Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geologyMr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta
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Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K. Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont. Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C. Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, CalgaryPaavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont. Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z. Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of TechnologyDr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J. Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
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Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, StockholmUniversity, Stockholm, Sweden Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif. Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn. Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health) Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological SurveyDr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, NorwayDr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previouslychief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z. Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K. Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K. Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
I didn't list the last page of scientists and their credentials as there wasn't enough room.
Please do YOUR research before taking such a pompous and clearly ignorant tone. There is no consensus on the cause of "global warming" and no agreement that humans are responsible for whatever changes occur. If you are going to make a statement as you've made and expect it to fly, you need to understand the entire issue and why there isn't consensus. But a lot of people have bought the 'global warming' Inconvenient Truth claim hook, line, and sinker with no independent study to actually form an independent opinion that looks at contrary evidence. I don't see a PH.D in Atmospheric Science, Climatology, Earth Sciences, etc. behind Al Gore's name. A lot of people buy the scare tactics without sound science and pay their money to be frightened by a provocative but unscientific "movie", then parrot the sky is falling. You sound like one of them.

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Old 02-25-2007, 11:37 AM
 
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well you will find out in a couple of years, so hold onto you hat. Hope you like the heat! Just open your eyes and do your own discovery. Very easy to see the effects of climate change. It is very easy to quote, I could certainly add thousands of quotes to support my side, but all I have to do is look out my window.
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Old 02-25-2007, 12:05 PM
 
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well you will find out in a couple of years, so hold onto you hat. Hope you like the heat! Just open your eyes and do your own discovery. Very easy to see the effects of climate change. It is very easy to quote, I could certainly add thousands of quotes to support my side, but all I have to do is look out my window.
If you need someone to lend you a parka in a few years, just let me know And yes, you could quote and source many who support the theory of Global Warming, but that's the point...it's not a settled issue with scientific consensus, it's a debate and the technology and science behind the theories are rapidly evolving and changing.

And hate to break it to you, looking out your window means nothing. If I went by that criteria, I'd say the world is rapidly cooling as I've been watching snow and ice since late November with rare breaks inbetween. Apparently my window view doesn't match yours. But I doubt any climate scientist with the credentials and background is going to go by window views.
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Old 02-25-2007, 12:37 PM
 
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well momark you give me a good laugh anyway.......
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Old 02-25-2007, 12:40 PM
 
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well momark you give me a good laugh anyway.......
There's nothing else I'd expect you to do. Laughing is a physical symptom of extreme embarrassment. I would be as embarrassed as you are if I had made your claims too! Don't worry. You can overcome that in the future by educating yourself.
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:00 PM
 
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well dear you think what you want. Been an environmental engineer for 20 years now, think I have my facts pretty well in place. Good luck in the future dear..........think global............besides i was laughing at you............
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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Whether global warming is caused by human activity or by natural climate change is still being debated. What isn't being debated is that the average temperature of the earth has risen and will probably continue to do so. Ask people living in extreme latitudes (Alaska, for example) if they see/feel the effects of global warming.

There will always be the naysayers in the scientific community, but if we waited until everyone was on board with this concept, we'd be waiting forever. I'm not even sure that if all of the greenhouse gases were turned off today that it would do any good as the damage has probably already been done. It's a domino effect; even if you take that first domino and stand it up again, the others will continue falling. Sorry to be so "doom and gloom", but I read National Geographic, and what is happening is very obvious unless you willingly refuse to look.
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