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LOL... the greatest burden in healthcare is from the sickest people who require prolonged and expensive treatments. I suppose you rather everyone shares the burden of someone else's care. I tell you what. INSTEAD of forcing everyone to share their burden how about we set-up a VOLUNTARY program where people can share each other's health care expenses and we will let you go in and share their burdens. NO? What do you mean no? You mean you want to FORCE everyone to pay and not just you? Well, doesn't that beat all....
I have to side with OZ and Greatday. Americans today feel entitled to a free ride on everything and can't bare the thought of personal accountability. The topic is I believe Why people have a right to healthcare. In fact everyone still has that right, its just that it must be paid for. Insurance is not a right it is an option. You say you cant afford a 300.00 payment. Can you afford 15 grand if while playing in the yard with the kids you tear your acl? Thats about the cost to repair it. well actually that was 9 years ago. But the point is valid. Raising taxes for everyone so that a select group wont need to take responcibility for their own health insurance seems a tad selfesh to me.
Many employers of the socalled uninsured offer health plans where the employee pays half the premium. Many opt not to participate, whose fault is that?
So you won't answer my question oz. (Two can play that game).
And what does oz say about the 10-15% of Americans denied health care because of their preexisting conditions. Do they have any "rights"?
No one is denied healthcare. Some are denied insurance. Big difference...
Would you expect an auto insurer to cover your car if you brought it to him predamaged? They would insure everything but the damaged part.
People have options, some painful. Some requiring a sacrifice in the budgit. Thats life.
I was referring to the doctors skipping the insurance altogether.
I'm sorry - I misunderstood.
Many of the articles I have read though have indicated that most of these doctors who have stopped taking insurance, have not seen their patients leave - if the patient wants to, they can submit the bill to their insurance carrier and seek re-imbursement
Many employers of the socalled uninsured offer health plans where the employee pays half the premium. Many opt not to participate, whose fault is that?
These plans are going away or the employer share of assistance is dropping...quickly... every single year, especially in recent years. This is why the model is going to break, according to every expert.
Can anyone arguing to keep things "status quo" provide any authority that claims the current US system for care to be healthy and in no danger? Please??
No one has a *right* to fire protection. It is a social service that tax payers are willing to fund, and it's at a LOCAL level. Some libertarians feel all of these should be fee based services, and others feel that some social programs work well enough at a local level.
I've got no problem with some social services at a local level. It's when you start talking about a federal program that you lose the support of many of us.
But really, you should start reading about the differences between rights and necessities, or perceived necessities. In the context that our government was formed, a right is something you are born with. You have the right to protect yourself against tyranny, but not a right to be provided with that method of protection. You have a right to speak your mind, but not the right to be provided with the pen or paper or megaphone to facilitate that speech. You have the right to privacy, but not for the government to provide a free copy of PGP for your encryption needs. You do have the right to preserve your life, which heathcare is an instrument of... but you don't have a right to force another individual to be that instrument. It's pretty simple...
No one is denied healthcare. Some are denied insurance.
Exactly!
I have seen some reports that indicate that of the 40 million or so without heath insurance today, some 25% CAN AFFORD IT but, have voluntarily choosen not to get insurance.
So you won't answer my question oz. (Two can play that game).
And what does oz say about the 10-15% of Americans denied health care because of their preexisting conditions. Do they have any "rights"?
Totally denied care or is the pre-existing condition not covered?
I am not sure as I really don't care...
My question isn't actually that tricky,I simply would like to know what is considered a reasonable cost to you and what sort of coverage the person should get....
It seems like you want to.. and nobody stopping you. How many sick people have you paid for? Its easy to make everyone else pay instead of doing it yourself. I suppose you want everyone to pay. What if I don't want to pay for someone else's care? Are you going to force me too? I guess I have no say in how I want to spend my money... sorry if that is truly bad of me as I earned that money and because I worked for it ... I should just hand it over to someone else... My parents, relatives, and friends all paid their medical expenses... I don't believe anybody paid for them... perhaps you would like to give me 100k now and we call it even... Perhaps all the patients who are discharged from the hospital should walk around and start collecting money from other people who "owe" them for their own health care expenses... yeah, that's really fair.. and while we are at it.. have it MANDATORY that you pay $100 to every single homeless person you meet... we should be responsible for them too... While we are at it, I think people on welfare could do with more cash from the government why not make EVERYONE pay an additional $1000 for them to have a comfortable life doing nothing at home... wow, sign me up...
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