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Old 12-03-2008, 11:02 PM
 
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I'll put my intelligence up against that obese malignacy anytime, anyplace. His "solutions" are the stuff of adolescent revenge fantasies.

When is the last time Michael Moore did anything but flap his many jaws?
Thus far, you have not offered anything that remotely resembles an idea or possible solution. It seems that you have a deep seated hatred for Michael Moore or large people. Did Michael Moore plagiarize any of your writings? Did a fat kid beat you up in school? Were you a fat kid? Are you related to The Bush Crime Family?
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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MichaelMoore.com : Saving the Big 3 for You and Me ...a message from Michael Moore
Michael Moore has the right idea about what to do with the Big 3
, Sounds like a great idea to me.
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I'd like to see Michael Moore fit into a Mini-Cooper.

Let that fatass lose a couple of hundred pounds. Then he can talk to us about downsizing.

As it is, he's a dozen triple cheeseburgers on the plus side of obesity -- with a head to match.
Do you always judge people's intellect and integrity by their pictures on the cover of People Magazine? No wonder you're nearly always wrong.
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Old 12-04-2008, 05:01 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Wow. I actually agree with about 25% of what he says. Thats 25% more than usual.

American cars are not nearly what he says they are.

I have had 3 Fords. NONE were bad cars.

1995 Thunderbird. 19K mi to 101K mi. No repairs until 85K mi. AC compressor. Sold as trade in.
1996 Taurus wagon. 108K mi to 165K mi. 1 O2 sensor $125.00. Destroyed when a guy thought it would be fun to try the fast lane on a snowy day and found himself very quickly back in my lane.... going backwards and spinning at that time.
2003 Taurus. 90K mi to current 111K mi. 1 $400 tranny problem.

Of course this is anecdotal. Check out the statistical defect rates at JD Power.

My thing with congress.

They threw 700B at Wall street with no preconditions
They OVERRODE A PRESIDENTIAL VETO to give a HEALTHY PROFITABLE farm industry over 300 billion.

And they whine about 34 billion.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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I couldn't agree more as a fan of TRUE capitalism restored properly, as a patriot for a healthy america (preserving opportunity for ALL), and as a private citizen/taxpayer sick to death of abuses and corruption running amok in the hallowed halls of my government.

Long term goals of handing it back over to private industry should be drafted into the comprehensive plan (soup to nuts).

My immediate solution would be for the gov't to take ownership of the big 3 fleet of SUV's/ 4wd trucks to serve those purposes of military and municipalities via low interest loans on generous time lines for these other branches of governance. The current inventory needs to be dealt with directly while revised new product is on the drafting board. Ownership by purchasing the corporations outright is a brilliant stroke, but as a 401k shareholder I hope I'd get the option to retain my shares in america while the government cleans house. ^5 Moore.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with Mr. Moore somewhat. His ideas in this instance don't sound half bad given the circumstances, assuming they're qualified similar to how you suggested. They're certainly better than anything congress has put out lately. What to do you guys think the chances are of seeing anything like this happen?

***for the record I'm not usually a Moore fan***
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with Mr. Moore somewhat. His ideas in this instance don't sound half bad given the circumstances, assuming they're qualified similar to how you suggested. They're certainly better than anything congress has put out lately. What to do you guys think the chances are of seeing anything like this happen?

***for the record I'm not usually a Moore fan***
One thing I would like to see done differently though, or in conjunction with it, is have the government remove some of the barriers toward building more nuclear plants. This would allow us to pursue hydrogen fueled cars since we'd have the electricity we needed to crack the molecules. We'd want to somehow encourage or open a way for the utility companies to also improve the electrical grid while they're at it.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:21 AM
 
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ghost I don't think we can really afford to open up too many more cans of worms. The aging infrastructure of the grid definitely ought to be on the to do list.

Here's a project from my native lands
Superconductor Applications
Superconductor electric cables move from lab to market - Knowledge Problem (http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/002590.html - broken link)
Would be interesting to see how economically this system could be made if it went mass scale.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Thus far, you have not offered anything that remotely resembles an idea or possible solution. It seems that you have a deep seated hatred for Michael Moore or large people. Did Michael Moore plagiarize any of your writings? Did a fat kid beat you up in school? Were you a fat kid? Are you related to The Bush Crime Family?
I hate no one. I do resent obese dilettantes masquerading as captains of management, however, and freely offer them my scorn. Moore's contention that the auto industry's systemic woes are the result of east-coast elitism is both facile and tranparently false. It appeals to the movie-going public, however, and those who find people who pretend to be other people somehow more trustworthy than their own common sense. I assume you are among them.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:48 AM
 
Location: PA
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Moore's plan is nothing more then socialism. To believe the government can run a business and they couldn't even run a hotdog stand. The big 3 did this to themselves and nobody did this do them.

You can thank Nafta, Cafta and other government planned trade agreements.
Also you can blame the CEO's and other unions for over spending on contracts and other issues related to the companies fiscal mess.
This has nothing to do with SUV's and big trucks or hybrids.

Government bailouts are another way for socialist liberals to run America and government nanny states. Government bailouts are also a threat to liberty and crimes against tax payers and future generations. This stealing from the America workers and people to take from one and give to another. Sorry that is not freedom it's STEALING!!
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:02 AM
 
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I couldn't agree more as a fan of TRUE capitalism restored properly, as a patriot for a healthy america (preserving opportunity for ALL), and as a private citizen/taxpayer sick to death of abuses and corruption running amok in the hallowed halls of my government.

Long term goals of handing it back over to private industry should be drafted into the comprehensive plan (soup to nuts).

My immediate solution would be for the gov't to take ownership of the big 3 fleet of SUV's/ 4wd trucks to serve those purposes of military and municipalities via low interest loans on generous time lines for these other branches of governance. The current inventory needs to be dealt with directly while revised new product is on the drafting board. Ownership by purchasing the corporations outright is a brilliant stroke, but as a 401k shareholder I hope I'd get the option to retain my shares in america while the government cleans house. ^5 Moore.
They need to get the workers to take a pay and benefits cut, which is gonna happen once they go bankrupt - oh, but let the CEOs keep getting 40x what the Japanese CEOs get, after all, they arent in the union.
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