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Old 12-05-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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I think it's a bad idea, and I just feel like it's inappropriate. If I'd scored low enough in math on the standardized tests (and I almost did), I would've gone somewhere else to take a remedial math course so I could move forward. What's the shame in that? Really? Sometimes people don't get everything they were supposed to in high school, and it's necessary, IMO.
But, those high schools need to change then and give the students what it is they need.

Hell, look how many graduate high school that can barely read at a sixth grade level. I am sorry, and I know all generations talk like this about the coming generation, but this bunch is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:40 PM
 
Location: southern california
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to be expected now you know that basic reading and math tests for welfare recipients have been banned from welfare. some years ago. they were viewed as discriminatory. although they know that there is high high correlation between illiteracy and unemployment. now its called learning disability and must be measured with exhaustive tests by a professional and of course nothing is done with the info, except some very juicy private contractor fees. did you know that the average welfare case with a zerox copy of a high school diploma often stuck in it, has a reading and math score of 6th grade?
johnny cannt read.
how come.
is it just me or does something smell bad.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Northeast U.S.
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This idea doesn't sound so bad to me if it requires that later, passing grades are actually earned and that the "held" grades of students who don't make up their work/ go for tutoring/ etc., get turned to "failing" grades. The thing is that the policy probably won't benefit a lot of the kids who need it most. The article says that students have the option to accept a fail rather than try to raise their grades, so most kids who by habit are too lazy or distracted or indifferent to do their work in the first place will probably just choose to fail. This could be a good thing for kids who are usually decent students and who have short-term reasons for their poor work.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This is bad, but not as bad as what Collier County, Florida schools did.

They made a 50 the minimum score on anything, no zeroes even if its missed, cheated etc.

So now it's pretty much impossible to fail, since 50's dont bring down an average nearly as much as zeroes do.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:11 PM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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I saw the movie Idiocracy and laughed, now when I think about that movie and realize it might just be a documentary before it's time and it makes me cry.
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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How curious...the educational system in this country worked perfectly well when there were standards. You couldn't keep up, and you failed. I suspect this is a terribly radical solution, and it would probably take decades before being adopted, but suppose we put standards back, and stopped acting as though nobody ever fails.
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:45 PM
 
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Oh well...American kids are just toooo dumb to be able to manage their own lives or any halfway serious task....(latte' anyone?) Nope American kids are being set up to fail....to be U.N.-able to cope with even basic educational tasks, let alone four five or six years at college, or a serious job in the service sector, or high tech. We, the U.S. will continue to rely on foreigners to handle all the jobs that require thinking while American kids will lead the 'charge' in the hip street fashion world, political activism (for what end who knows...) and rippity rappity music.
The kids from Communist China, Pakistan, India, The Ukraine, Russia...They'll be the ones who run the show...they'll be the ones who are experts in physics, math, chemistry, biology, medicine, economics, law....etc...which is good because at least THEY'LL know how....
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:47 PM
 
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This idea doesn't sound so bad to me if it requires that later, passing grades are actually earned and that the "held" grades of students who don't make up their work/ go for tutoring/ etc., get turned to "failing" grades. The thing is that the policy probably won't benefit a lot of the kids who need it most. The article says that students have the option to accept a fail rather than try to raise their grades, so most kids who by habit are too lazy or distracted or indifferent to do their work in the first place will probably just choose to fail. This could be a good thing for kids who are usually decent students and who have short-term reasons for their poor work.
Heaven forbid that you actually read the story!!

I remember the reaction during the Oakland School District "ebonics controversy" do to bad reporting and simple knee jerk reactions, the real story and intent of the school district was never discussed. Why do I get that feeling of deja vu all over again?
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