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View Poll Results: Bailouts?
Yes, Bailout them out! 13 19.70%
No, let the free market decide! 49 74.24%
Unsure/Undecided 4 6.06%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-16-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The Toyota Republicans (Shelby, Sessions) will never allow the bailout to happen because they want to see unions destroyed.

But more corporate welfare for foreign auto manufacturers who want to set up shop in Alabama? No problem!

Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan - you all get a piece of the American pie, and hey - it's on us - the American taxpayers! Come on in!
Those companies pay beaucoup taxes and employ hundreds of thousands of Americans. Please identify your objections to that.

http://www.slate.com/id/2206525/
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:30 PM
 
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Those companies pay beaucoup taxes and employ hundreds of thousands of Americans. Please identify your objections to that.

How foreign car factories have transformed the American South. - By Daniel Gross - Slate Magazine
That's fine, but the majority of their profits go back to Tokyo (in the case of Toyota, Honda, and Nissan).
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:36 PM
 
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That's fine, but the majority of their profits go back to Tokyo (in the case of Toyota, Honda, and Nissan).
So you'd prefer that hundreds of thousands of workers should give up their jobs because you were too short-sighted to buy stock in Japanese companies -- unlike many American investors who share in those profits?

Pretty selfish of you.

And Toyota's headquarters are in Nagoya.
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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So you'd prefer that hundreds of thousands of workers should give up their jobs because you were too short-sighted to buy stock in Japanese companies -- unlike many American investors who share in those profits?

Pretty selfish of you.

And Toyota's headquarters are in Nagoya.
Why are you so antagonistic toward anyone who disagrees with you?
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:44 PM
 
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Why are you so antagonistic toward anyone who disagrees with you?
Why do you confuse tartness with antagonism?
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:49 PM
 
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Why do you confuse tartness with antagonism?
Tartness is antagonistic.

I have a feeling that your primary motivation here is to harass people. I'm sure you'll disagree, but that's just the impression I've got of you.
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Tartness is antagonistic.

I have a feeling that your primary motivation here is to harass people. I'm sure you'll disagree, but that's just the impression I've got of you.
Tartness is an approach which invites reasoned response; antagonism is an expression of ill-will.

Try refuting the points I've made. Read the Slate link I provided. Then take a whack at explaining why you oppose the Japanese factories employing thousands of Americans and paying billions in state and federal taxes.

Perhaps this will affect your impression.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:46 PM
 
Location: toronto, Canada
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Here's a recent Washington post - ABC news poll suggesting a majority of Americans oppose the bailout.
Poll: Most Americans oppose auto bailout - Washington Post- msnbc.com
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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Here's a recent Washington post - ABC news poll suggesting a majority of Americans oppose the bailout.
Poll: Most Americans oppose auto bailout - Washington Post- msnbc.com
It certainly wouldn't be the first time that Americans made the wrong choice.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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No. The economic concept does not need to be explained. Ford itself owns something like 30-40% of Honda shares (for a reason I'm sure), and Chrysler itself has been bailout before. These companies are down in the gutter because they lack ingenuity. A free-market is supposed to drive up competition and subsequently after a lapse of a bust cycle as what we are seeing now correct itself and generate a boom cycle including a better renewed American auto industry and more jobs in the future. But that isn't my biggest concern, as the economy was in a slump and in the run of recent elections, there was a hype in the air about renewable energy and sustainability and we find out the hype was just that, a hype, without substance. A bailout will fix short-term problems but evade us from fixing our long-term problems.
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