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Old 12-14-2008, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Punishment to fit the crime. The guilty parties should be jailed after the population s told of their crimes. If the hispanic population in said prison should seek to avenge this murder so be it.... A law abiding good man was murdered for no other reason than he was hispanic.. This is an outrage no matter what the race, ethnic background, or sexual preferance.. I am sick of narrow minded biggoted rejects feeling justified in singling out and abusing people just because they have a negative opinion ofthe victim.
The catapult of death iis what I would do to these killers.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What???? I guess the anti-hispanic slurs the men shouted had nothing to do with the attack.

So, what gave you the impression that this crime was more of a homosexual hate crime than an anti-hispanic hate crime? Nothing in the stories i have read even point to that conclusion.



wcbstv.com - NYC Immigrant Dies After Possible Hate Attack (http://wcbstv.com/local/bias.crime.fatal.2.886952.html - broken link)
OK: blacknight04; aside from Spanish being spoken-----------how would a bunch of assailants determine whether a potential victim is Hispanic or not?

Especially back east where there are lots of swarthy Anglos---------Italians, some Germans, Arabs, Brits, Iranians as well as American Indians, etc. all come to mind.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:53 AM
 
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OK: blacknight04; aside from Spanish being spoken-----------how would a bunch of assailants determine whether a potential victim is Hispanic or not?

Especially back east where there are lots of swarthy Anglos---------Italians, some Germans, Arabs, Brits, Iranians as well as American Indians, etc. all come to mind.
Do i really have to answer that?
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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What???? I guess the anti-hispanic slurs the men shouted had nothing to do with the attack.

So, what gave you the impression that this crime was more of a homosexual hate crime than an anti-hispanic hate crime? Nothing in the stories i have read even point to that conclusion.



wcbstv.com - NYC Immigrant Dies After Possible Hate Attack (http://wcbstv.com/local/bias.crime.fatal.2.886952.html - broken link)
Your right, if it were only "anti gay" you wouldn't have a racist reason to post.

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Nothing in the stories i have read even point to that conclusion.
Your the one trying to add the conclusion. Your racist agenda is getting very obvious.
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:13 AM
 
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What???? I guess the anti-hispanic slurs the men shouted had nothing to do with the attack.

So, what gave you the impression that this crime was more of a homosexual hate crime than an anti-hispanic hate crime? Nothing in the stories i have read even point to that conclusion.



wcbstv.com - NYC Immigrant Dies After Possible Hate Attack (http://wcbstv.com/local/bias.crime.fatal.2.886952.html - broken link)
Well like it or not, in this case it's not going to be a hate crime as far as race because the attackers were not white. It appears that what set off the attackers in this case was the homosexual aspect mainly.

In the previous attack on an Ecuadoran at least two of the attackers were hispanic themselves but that will likely be called an anti-hispanic crime.
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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Your right, if it were only "anti gay" you wouldn't have a racist reason to post.


Your the one trying to add the conclusion. Your racist agenda is getting very obvious.
What's gotten so bad is that crimes are now seen only as bad IF and only IF they can be viewed as race or gay hate crimes.

If this Ecuadoran had been killed because the killers thought he was straight, that wouldn't be a hate crime, and since race is out because the killers are not white, it's going to be viewed as less bad.

Murder is murder. Murder should not be excused because a white was killed, or a heterosexual was killed. All murder is about hate.
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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I do not condone hate crimes against anyone. The attackers should be charged with murder. end of story.

I think mkfarnam has a point.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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This was so tragic and senseless. I live three block away from where the crime occured. Actually, walked down the block today to go to the laundraumat and there was a police car blocking off the street. I'm not sure why though but I'll assume it's to give the coummunity a sense of security.

On another note, I'm fairly certain that this crime was motivated by homophobia/gay hate than anything else. The media is trying to tie this attack into a recent attack of another Ecuadorian immigrant on L.I. They "crafting" a story to make it seem like "Ecuadorians are under attack" in NY. But as an Afro American man, I know the fervor of homophobia/gay hate in the Black community. A group of young Black men ain't jumping out of car to beat a Latino in Bushwick, BK (which is a majority Latino community). But they will jump out of a car to beat up a gay person; or in this case someone they assumed was gay. The Latin slurs were probably included for added effect but racism was secondary to their real motivation for their attack which was to beat up on gay guys.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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This was so tragic and senseless. I live three block away from where the crime occured. Actually, walked down the block today to go to the laundraumat and there was a police car blocking off the street. I'm not sure why though but I'll assume it's to give the coummunity a sense of security.

On another note, I'm fairly certain that this crime was motivated by homophobia/gay hate than anything else. The media is trying to tie this attack into a recent attack of another Ecuadorian immigrant on L.I. They "crafting" a story to make it seem like "Ecuadorians are under attack" in NY. But as an Afro American man, I know the fervor of homophobia/gay hate in the Black community. A group of young Black men ain't jumping out of car to beat a Latino in Bushwick, BK (which is a majority Latino community). But they will jump out of a car to beat up a gay person; or in this case someone they assumed was gay. The Latin slurs were probably included for added effect but racism was secondary to their real motivation for their attack which was to beat up on gay guys.
I had the feeling it was added just to raise some neck hairs.
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Do i really have to answer that?
Yes, you should answer my question.

How does one tell if a person is of 'brown' Mexican (or any other Latin American) heritage or not if they are not speaking Spanish??

In fact: I once knew a Nordic White woman from Ecuador--------she could not pass for 'Latina' if her life depended on it.
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