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Old 12-22-2008, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Who IS on first.
I don't know. Third base!
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I don't know. Third base!
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Old 12-24-2008, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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North Korea's geopolitical situation has a lot to do with it. The country is allied with China (although even China seems to be growing tired with it) and we are not about to start a militarized conflict with a country that is allied with and bordered by China. Additionally, North Korea and South Korea's border is the most heavily militarized region on the planet and North Korea has enough missiles (even without nukes) aimed at Seoul (the capital of South Korea and one of the most populated cities on the planet) to decimate it in a matter of minutes. Should fighting break out with North Korea, the country would almost certainly launch everything it has at South Korea, killing millions within the first few hours. North Korea would quickly collapse afterwards, leaving behind one of the worst humanitarian disasters in human history. The country is already perpetually on the edge of famine, war would leave millions without food and water. Within a few weeks of the onset of war with North Korea more than 10 million would be dead. The cost of invading North Korea would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.
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Old 12-24-2008, 11:52 PM
 
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The treaty orginated with the U.S. and was executed by Pres. Clinton.
C'mon Fleet... you know the first rule of revisionist history is forgetting the past.
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Old 12-25-2008, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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I'm not personally advocating military action against North Korea but why did the Bush doctrine apply to Iraq but not N. Korea?
It's actually called the Carter Doctrine, but that isn't the point, ask yourself why aren't we in Africa taking out dictators but in Iraq taking out dictators? We didn't do it for good-will sake or for charity, there certainly was a motive and interest to go to Iraq. In fact why did Iraq invade Kuwait to being with. Well Saddam fought Iran for almost a decade 80-88 that they were so strapped for cash. Saddam talked to both Ambassador Glaspie and the Rockefellers to borrow money, talked to OPEC to raise gas prices, to no avail he invaded Kuwait. After the Gulf War, H.W. decided not to invade Iraq but rather believed that it would be tossed into a coup soon. It didn't. Sec. of Defense Cheney becomes VP then comes Operation Iraqi Freedom. Anyways long story short, there isn't anything to gain in North Korea and a conflict with North Korea would result in a conflict with China, remember the Korean War. Though prior to W. administration N. Korea already had enough plutonium for 2-3 nukes and means to deliver it short-range. As of currently, due to pressures from China, as N. Korea is more of minion to China, the Yongbyon nuclear reactors are currently being dismantled in exchange for perhaps natural resources such as coal from China and grain from both the U.S. and Japan.
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Old 12-25-2008, 12:57 AM
 
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Why did President Bush seemingly give North Korea a pass after it detonated a fission device? North Korea was given the same warning as Iran and Iraq when it was named as a member of the "axis of evil" and that WMDs would not be tolerated in these nations.

Yet, Iraq gets invaded even though it had no WMDs. North Korea gave advance warnings that it would develop nukes, actually tests a bomb, launches delivery vehicles in a provocative manner, and...we step up diplomacy
How did North Korea get a pass? What alternatives does the United States have, invade or attack a country that has demonstrated its nuclear ability by the detonation of a fissionable device? Iraq was invaded precisely because it had none of these weapons, because if they did, do you think we truly would have risked hundreds of thousands of US soldiers lives for... what was it exactly again? The actual reasons... breech of the no-fly zones?

Interestingly enough there was a quiet mention in a publication (I believe the CFR or other like publication) where Paul Wolfowitz was quoted as saying that the US wasn't as concerned with North Korea having nukes as it was with South Korea getting them. The reason being that South Korea has a vastly superior infrastructure and was far more stable and economically able to exert unwanted influence over Asia and most notably, Japan, if it were to obtain nuclear capability. Another reason for keeping North and South Korea divided in essence.

Whether actual unannounced policy or simply a gaff in speech, it gave insight to the thinking concerning this area of the globe by some of the like minded individuals of the current administration. Not the the US would ever intervene in another nations affairs or anything.
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Old 12-25-2008, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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ask yourself why aren't we in Africa taking out dictators but in Iraq taking out dictators? We didn't do it for good-will sake or for charity
Hmm...there's an awful lot of oil in Angola, isn't there? It's almost a shame that Bush's term is nearly over, isn't it? If he had more time to trump up some "charges" against the government in Luanda, he could have troops over there in a matter of days!
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Old 12-25-2008, 10:23 AM
 
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There isn't any oil in Korea and Coke-a-Cola had no plans to build a plant there.

Don
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Old 12-25-2008, 02:53 PM
 
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attack, get criticized. don't attack, get criticized.

who has the double standards?
i also want to know why did we allow isreal to harbor nukes, if they feel threatened they can use them at their own discretion
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Old 12-25-2008, 02:55 PM
 
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North Korea's geopolitical situation has a lot to do with it. The country is allied with China (although even China seems to be growing tired with it) and we are not about to start a militarized conflict with a country that is allied with and bordered by China. Additionally, North Korea and South Korea's border is the most heavily militarized region on the planet and North Korea has enough missiles (even without nukes) aimed at Seoul (the capital of South Korea and one of the most populated cities on the planet) to decimate it in a matter of minutes. Should fighting break out with North Korea, the country would almost certainly launch everything it has at South Korea, killing millions within the first few hours. North Korea would quickly collapse afterwards, leaving behind one of the worst humanitarian disasters in human history. The country is already perpetually on the edge of famine, war would leave millions without food and water. Within a few weeks of the onset of war with North Korea more than 10 million would be dead. The cost of invading North Korea would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.
what your saying has happened before, something used by america
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