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Old 12-23-2008, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Fact: since 1979 the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20%.


NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice
It also shrunk during the 1930s. It's happened before and it will happen again.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Fact: since 1979 the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20%.
What do you think happened to it when Canada was a jungle?
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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they are not scientists whose study is germane to the topic in question, and some of them do not even belong in the list per their own statements. You are not showing your sources because you know you're spreading misinformation.
I would have to disagree - obviously, you have not opened the link or read any of the articles. I always show my sources, I leave it to the reader to click on the link and read.

I guess you have no thought to what an absolute cash cow it is to governments and "scientists" researching for those governments. You must know that many, many proponents of GW are not actually scientists, but beaurocrats, politicians, appointees and academia lackeys taking the opportunity to keep the cash flowing.

http://www.wnho.net/global_warming.htm

This link has some hilarious articles about the GW Hoax - can they really advocate that the biggest freeze in a century to strike China (killing thousands) is really GW? Don't they understand why some might be skeptical of their ridiculous claims in light of the fact that their fingers and toes are falling off?

This takes the cake; A complete list of stories blaming GW for every disaster imagined;

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

Just read the links and get a good belly-laugh.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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Were this the case- which it isn't- the very science we use to engineer automobiles, computers, actuary tables, insurance estimations, etc.- which have all been proven to work over time- would not be possible. The methods used for evidence in global warming theory are not different in quality from methods used in a myriad of scientific pursuits we individuals rely on thousands of times a day.
Sure.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:08 PM
 
Location: hinesburg, vt
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Warming, cooling, wet, dry, are all cycles that have and will continue to happen. Yes, man's presence on the planet has an effect, but nothing to warrant the hypersensative alarmist hype that the planet is on a self destruct mode. Of course some will continue to get all emotional over this until another cause celeb comes around to take it's place. Quite a few more serious issues to be concerned about which do and will have an immediate impact on our health and survival. In the interest of science and knowledge research on climate and natural science needs to continue sans the propaganda.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Where the light shines
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The irony here is deniers use this observation in their defense to trying to deny climate change, and, in some respects, in their perverted logic, they might be right. Climate change may even lead to an eventual rapid decrease due to much cooler ocean currents.

So, the denier do even cling to a bit of logic in their arguments, so as to appear to sound knowledgeable, which again would have you ignore the warming that would bring about the "cooling" claims they make. One would be responsible for the other, which makes sense, as the earths climate is a neg/pos. feedback loop. In this case its negative feedback.
Sounds kinda like damned if you do and damned if you don't eh danny boy? Lets just all have a cold beer be thankful for a job at the ole smoke stack and go back tomorow for some more.
Fact is, even if you are right and I doubt there is very much you are right about that technology will not eventually cure without all this chicken little panic. Are you prepared to ride a bicycle and live the way your parents did in the forties t win your arrogant little maybe arguements. Maybe an asteroid will hit the earth, maybe not.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Not irrelevant. Short term localized weather forecast involve far more known and predictable variables than climatic predictions.
Incorrect on both accounts. One that localized data is sufficient to draw conclusions on global issue. And that short term sample provides a truer picture over the longer term.

Yesterday, we had high temp in 30s. Tomorrow, we expect hight 60s. Should I conclude spring is here?
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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... this ignorance definitely manifests itself in one particular political entity.
You are absolutely right -- the liberal brain-dead Democrats!
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Fact: since 1979 the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20%.


NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice
Summer seems to have that effect on ice. Amazing how that works, isn't it?
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
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Default Just for giggles, allow me to toss one more

little oddity into the fray, that of urban progress. Heat islands, if you will. Rather than attempt to explain it, take a look-see at this URL from NASA, attempt to comprehend what the urban sprawl has caused over the years in the way of "global warming." One more reason I live in a small town.

Urban Heat Island: Baltimore, MD : Image of the Day

And with that, I'm outta here!
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