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How do you think they get the child porn pictures? How do you know the desires are unfulfilled? How can you possibly, possibly say "[not] illegal or harmful to anyone but himself"?
I REALLY hope Im misunderstanding you...
If one has desires that are considered unacceptable...by society and themselves...and never act on them in a way that involves other unwilling participants......where is the 'crime', legal or ethical?
I also said whoever produces this material should be 'hung'.
Some slimeball involved children to produce such material.
But let's say, a person who gets off on youngsters, cats, dogs, fire hydrants or shoes... imagines, ideates encounters...but never goes beyond involving only themselves....who can condemn?
Not every foot fetish involves grabbing unwilling participants feet and masturbating in the shoe store.
Not all of 'your' imaginations are known to us but it's a safe bet 'you' or a lot of your friends have socially unacceptable impluses.
If one has desires that are considered unacceptable...by society and themselves...and never act on them in a way that involves other unwilling participants......where is the 'crime', legal or ethical?
I also said whoever produces this material should be 'hung'.
Some slimeball involved children to produce such material.
But let's say, a person who gets off on youngsters, cats, dogs, fire hydrants or shoes... imagines, ideates encounters...but never goes beyond involving only themselves....who can condemn?
Not every foot fetish involves grabbing unwilling participants feet and masturbating in the shoe store.
Not all of 'your' imaginations are known to us but it's a safe bet 'you' or a lot of your friends have socially unacceptable impluses.
Does the phrase 'supply and demand' ring a bell to you? Some guy masterbating to a five year old being raped is harmless? Not to the 5 year old, I assure you.
How do you think they get the child porn pictures? How do you know the desires are unfulfilled? How can you possibly, possibly say "[not] illegal or harmful to anyone but himself"?
I REALLY hope Im misunderstanding you...
delusianne I think for men it's weighing the difference between fantasy vs real life conduct. I think some of that fantasy is illness, skeeves me out, but I can't police what's in peoples minds kind of thing. Tricky line, and one that catholicism would convict you on for instance.
Does the phrase 'supply and demand' ring a bell to you? Some guy masterbating to a five year old being raped is harmless? Not to the 5 year old, I assure you.
The rape was not harmless. Making sure nobody masturbates to it after the fact won't undo the rape. I think that was the point that was being made.
The rape was not harmless. Making sure nobody masturbates to it after the fact won't undo the rape. I think that was the point that was being made.
It won't undo the rape, but the demand for child porn runs the business of it -- including that childs rape.
Fantasy's are harmless, and I certainly am not in the business of policing what goes on in someones mind. But, when images like child rape are downloaded -- and I really do not care if they are free or not -- it perpetuates misery. And that is not a harmless fantasy.
'My Motives Were Pure and Innocent' A member of John Kerry's "band of brothers" pleads guilty to possessing child porn.
Remember Wade Sanders? He was one of the "band of brothers"--Swift Boat veterans who supported John Kerry's presidential campaign and appeared onstage at the 2004 Democratic National Convention before Kerry's "reporting for duty" speech.
If you'll read on through this piece, it sez that
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In a telephone interview last night, Sanders said he had downloaded the files as part of his research for an article on the sexual exploitation of children in foreign countries. He said his work for the Clinton administration had included aiding victims of child sex abuse in the former Yugoslavia.
Sanders, a lawyer, said he didn't realize federal child pornography laws barred downloading or viewing the material even by researchers. He said that is why he decided to plead guilty.
"I thought since my motives were pure and innocent, that would make a difference," he said. "I'm technically guilty of the crime."
Please, give me a break. He worked for the Clinton administration in the years between 1992 and 2000, not last year. He is a has-been, a former, a nothing in today's politics. His claims of "innocence" and "purity" are pretty shaky, in my book.
And as a lawyer he didn't realize fed child porn laws barred downloading even by researchers? Pretty pitiful lawyer, in my book.
As the song said, "Another one bites the dust." And for a long time, I would hope.
So what if he worked in the Clinton administration? MOST perverts are REALLY good at hiding what they are. Which is why it is SUCH a surprise when they get nailed.
This cretin is just like all the other pervs out there who deserve to rot in jail. THey are sick and should be castrated but i still dont see how it matters who he worked for.
I am much more disturbed whenever a pedophile has been working in SCHOOLS and with CHILDREN and that happens Quite a bit. That always makes my stomach turn.
There were no children working in the Clinton admin i should hope - so they are relatively safe. But what a freak.
(CNN) -- A lawyer who served in the Clinton administration and more recently was an advisor to California's lieutenant governor pleaded guilty to a child porn charge in a San Diego federal court Monday.
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read more, click on the link....
This man is disgusting and should be put away for life!, JMO.
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But let's say, a person who gets off on youngsters, cats, dogs, fire hydrants or shoes... imagines, ideates encounters...but never goes beyond involving only themselves....who can condemn?
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I can condemn.
THE DIFFERENCE IS - SHOES DON"T HAVE FEELINGS AND CANNOT BE DEVASTATED FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE FOR BEING VICTIMIZED.
CHILDREN AND ANIMALS HAVE FEELINGS AND ARE BEING TRAUMATIZED By SOMEONE ELSE"S DESIRES.
THAT MAKES IT WRONG.
That is unacceptable in our world.
SICK.
BTW-Watching most definitely leads to DOING.
WE HAVE REGULAR PORN- AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT? To TURN YOU ON SO YOU CAN PERFORM. DUH.
Yeah- watching Usually does lead somewhere. That is kinda the whole point. And if you watch kiddie porn than you obviously DREAM of being in the kiddie porn and that most definitely CAN lead somwhere when the oppurtunity arises.
If you can't keep 2 consenting adults from doing it in the bathroom of a bar what makes you think you can keep a pervert from touching children if given the chance to be alone with them. Telling them it's a secret or threatening them with never seeing their parents again.
THE DIFFERENCE IS - SHOES DON"T HAVE FEELINGS AND CANNOT BE DEVASTATED FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE FOR BEING VICTIMIZED.
CHILDREN AND ANIMALS HAVE FEELINGS AND ARE BEING TRAUMATIZED By SOMEONE ELSE"S DESIRES.
THAT MAKES IT WRONG.
That is unacceptable in our world.
SICK.
BTW-Watching most definitely leads to DOING.
WE HAVE REGULAR PORN- AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT? To TURN YOU ON SO YOU CAN PERFORM. DUH.
Yeah- watching Usually does lead somewhere. That is kinda the whole point. And if you watch kiddie porn than you obviously DREAM of being in the kiddie porn and that most definitely CAN lead somwhere when the oppurtunity arises.
If you can't keep 2 consenting adults from doing it in the bathroom of a bar what makes you think you can keep a pervert from touching children if given the chance to be alone with them. Telling them it's a secret or threatening them with never seeing their parents again.
It is most definitely NEVER VICTIMLESS.
You know this or you assume this?(the underlined part)
You can back up this claim?
I disagree.
Believe me, I have contact with children that have been abused so know the harm that can continue throughout their lives.
I do not and cannot broad brush that knowledge to everyone with desires that are sexually motivated by (at this point) socially unacceptable sources.
I also repeat again...the makers of child porn deserve whatever happens to them and I would hope it is painful.
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Sooo, back to the original post, a little more
