The Negro Family: The Case For National Action - a follow-up, 42 years later

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by macmeal

Interestingly, though, your point could go either way. Obama is, by loose definition, an "African American" (under the terms most often used in US society...that is, he's an American of 'partial black' ancestry). Yet an important point also is that Obama is NOT a product of the 'black underclass'....he has NO family legacy of mistreatment or discrimination in the US, and his ancestors didn't suffer the effects of slavery. Obama is, in essence, a 'first generation' American, and that apparently is of some importance, for the fact is that IMMIGRANT blacks, or those whose parents immigrated here from elswhere at their own volition, are doing relatively well in the US, and are generally NOT to be found among the 'black underclass'.

I can see that.

His victory was seen as a victory for African Americans and in fact all Americans and no matter what his legacy is that won't be changed. Yeah the stereotypes where and are there after the fact. Although his choices are yet to come he will redefine the "typical" opinion of what color means in relation to what a person can achieve or how smart they can be as it relates to population segments and which are in the majority and which are in the minority.

[city414]

Originally Posted by zonababe

Thank Linden B. Johnson's "Great Society" No one needs to be held accountable when the government is paying for your baby. Very sad. "The Pill" came out in the 1960's and the out of wedlock birthrate increased. Are people afraid of birth control? Take it, it's just a little pill.

here we go with the blame game, whos to say that if that wasnt the case the birth rate would still be high..

[thegeist]

I think it gets to a point where you can't keep blaming 'racism' for the inability of the majority of Blacks to succeed.

It seems like nearly every other ethnic group has been able to do it yet when it comes to the ridiculous amounts of Black crime, sex, unemployment, etc it's 'racism'.

Okay, fine, it's racism. It is 'racism' that Blacks have been unable to succeed the world over whether it be the entire continent and countries in which they are a majority, whether it be the U.S, Europe, Japan, etc...

It gets to the point where you simply need to ask, maybe we all aren't the same?

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by thegeist

I think it gets to a point where you can't keep blaming 'racism' for the inability of the majority of Blacks to succeed.

I can accept that, however, the question then becomes when is that time?

It seems like nearly every other ethnic group has been able to do it yet when it comes to the ridiculous amounts of Black crime, sex, unemployment, etc it's 'racism'.

Seems like the same argument made regarding Italians, Irish and in some cases Jews in the 19th and early 20th Century.

It is 'racism' that Blacks have been unable to succeed the world over whether it be the entire continent and countries in which they are a majority, whether it be the U.S, Europe, Japan, etc...

And this analysis is based upon what, nations of the Caribbean, Brazil, Cuba, or even the massive success in the US in a short 50 years since the end of sanctioned discrimination? How long did it take the Irish or the Italians to rise to political and economic parity without the willful destruction of their social structures, 10 years, 50 years?

It gets to the point where you simply need to ask, maybe we all aren't the same?

Certainly when it comes to destruction of indigenous cultures, economies, and social structures, and the peculiar nature of anti-African racism I would have to agree, we aren't the same.

As Moynihan succinctly points out;

"It is more difficult, however, for whites to perceive the effect that three centuries of exploitation have had on the fabric of Negro society itself. Here the consequences of the historic injustices done to Negro Americans are silent and hidden from view. But here is where the true injury has occurred: unless this damage is repaired, all the effort to end discrimination and poverty and injustice will come to little."