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Old 12-24-2008, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Unfortunately, in the south US
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There doesn't seem to be much in the press about the fact that Bush has pardoned a bunch of drug dealers here at the end of his horrible term. This is usual of the media though. They only touch on the big issues and divert with small insignificant things. Does this concern anyone but me? Maybe he is wanting them out so he can use them to score some dopage later! Thaats it!
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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I read the article and was surprised by his choices myself.
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:40 AM
 
Location: DFW Texas
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Well IMO if the drug offenses are non-violent, then why not pardon them. I am not condoning it in way shape or form, but I would much rather have a drug dealer free than a serial killer or rapist. More than likely the dealer will screw up again and be right back in prison. Look at it this way, people CHOOSE to do drugs, they don't choose to be killed or raped. If we had better programs out there to educate people on the dangers of drugs, maybe noone would want to do them. No demand for drugs means the dealers would go out of business.
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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Well IMO if the drug offenses are non-violent, then why not pardon them. I am not condoning it in way shape or form, but I would much rather have a drug dealer free than a serial killer or rapist. More than likely the dealer will screw up again and be right back in prison. Look at it this way, people CHOOSE to do drugs, they don't choose to be killed or raped. If we had better programs out there to educate people on the dangers of drugs, maybe noone would want to do them. No demand for drugs means the dealers would go out of business.
If we are talking about drug dealers (not people who choose to do drugs), then you need to consider how violent this business is. People get killed & lives shattered. Follow some stories of drugs coming in from Mexico, Columbia of Afghanistan. They are all violent and drug dealers are a part of this violent chain.
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: DFW Texas
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If we are talking about drug dealers (not people who choose to do drugs), then you need to consider how violent this business is. People get killed & lives shattered. Follow some stories of drugs coming in from Mexico, Columbia of Afghanistan. They are all violent and drug dealers are a part of this violent chain.
Maybe so, but why are they so violent? COMPETITION!!! Once again I'll say, if you take away the consumer (drug users), then there wouldn't be a market for them to compete in. Therefore, eliminating the cut throat business. Also consider this, look at how many lives have been lost over the business of oil! Not trying to go off topic, just simply using an example!
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:01 AM
 
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There doesn't seem to be much in the press about the fact that Bush has pardoned a bunch of drug dealers here at the end of his horrible term. This is usual of the media though. They only touch on the big issues and divert with small insignificant things. Does this concern anyone but me? Maybe he is wanting them out so he can use them to score some dopage later! Thaats it!
This should hardly surprise anyone. Bush made his preferences clear some years ago. Who do you EXPECT him to pardon....Border Patrol Agents?...
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:07 AM
 
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Maybe so, but why are they so violent? COMPETITION!!! Once again I'll say, if you take away the consumer (drug users), then there wouldn't be a market for them to compete in. Therefore, eliminating the cut throat business. Also consider this, look at how many lives have been lost over the business of oil! Not trying to go off topic, just simply using an example!
A problem is that if you go after all the end users, besides it being a huge political problem, it will also be expensive in terms of the total effort. It may be easier to arrest a dealer and eliminate (temporarily) multiple deals and end-uses (not end users). This is why destroying a underground drug manufacturing loacle in Columbia is so much more cost effective. Same reason why cops go after prostitutes instead of the Johns - you curb multiple instances of abuse by getting to the source / supplier.
I am not against what you are proposing (going after end users - we need to have additiona moolah) but the fact is that drug dealers are currently a part of the violent supply chain and shoud not be pardoned.

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Old 12-24-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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Legalize drugs and the drug market would no longer be violent.
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:12 AM
 
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Legalize drugs and the drug market would no longer be violent.
True, but right now it is violent and a few dealers are being pardoned...
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Unfortunately, in the south US
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I think individual users should not be treated as "criminals" because they obviously have an addiction they can't control and I am not speaking of marijuana users either. I mean hard core drugs. But, Bush released a meth dealer as well as others that I can't remember at the moment. I heard about the meth dealer this morning that is why it is fresh on my mind. This is inexcusable and just furthers the proof of how corrupt our govt is!!!
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