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Old 01-05-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Life begins just before it can die.

 
Old 01-05-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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Apples and oranges.

We were discussing at what time before birth (or at the moment of birth)that life begins. Now you're trying to bring in the subject of children after they're born. But, if you want to get picky and disingenuous, okay. I can play that little passive-aggressive game too. Answer me this...

...since a baby can be sustained by bottle-feeding, and without the presence of any parent, does that mean it doesn't need a mother or father? Because that pretty much just blows away your asinine question of whether or not I think a nursing infant is a parasite.
Hmmm I think the discussion has moved from life to human.
No body can say a fetus doesnt have life, but the question is when is a human.
 
Old 01-05-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Reproducibility is human.... To somehow make it inhuman is about the only way to justify the act.
 
Old 01-05-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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Apples and oranges.

We were discussing at what time before birth (or at the moment of birth)that life begins. Now you're trying to bring in the subject of children after they're born. But, if you want to get picky and disingenuous, okay. I can play that little passive-aggressive game too. Answer me this...

...since a baby can be sustained by bottle-feeding, and without the presence of any parent, does that mean it doesn't need a mother or father? Because that pretty much just blows away your asinine question of whether or not I think a nursing infant is a parasite.
So a mother could have the baby and before it's slapped on the ass and the umbilical cord cut she stabs it to death and she didn't kill a human? But if the baby has a cleared airway and the umbilical cord is cut it's alive and she would go to jail for murder?

If in trying to kill themselves a mother throws herself down the stairs or something and happens to live but the baby dies is she guilty of murder?
 
Old 01-05-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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When the kids leave for college!!!!
 
Old 01-05-2009, 12:11 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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What are you talking about,
A blastocyst is about 5 days old, by this time the mother doesnt even know she has one.


I'm talking about continual attempts to label things 'babies' that clearly are not.
 
Old 01-05-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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I'm talking about continual attempts to label things 'babies' that clearly are not.
you are right, is a human fetus.
 
Old 01-05-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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Forums.... Isn't that where people go to repeat themselves over and over in 8 identical threads day after day after day after day......
 
Old 01-05-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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Forums.... Isn't that where people go to repeat themselves over and over in 8 identical threads day after day after day after day......
Yeap, and we still come back for more...
 
Old 01-05-2009, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I already did,
Metabolism, I see. Two problems with that opinion:
- Do you consider metabolism to be a cause or a result?
- Do you acknowledge metabolism in sperm and ovum, hence consider them as living while also dismantling the notion that life begins at conception?
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