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Yes, and do you know why that name change came about? Because the GW-fanatics where made to look like the fools they are when the "warming" did not materialize and in its place the world has experienced a cooling instead.
Not so. Not so at all. From the 1880's to the mid 1970's it was called the "Greenhouse Effect". That was the most precise name, but a little cryptic with some. Beginning with the first Earth Day, environmentalists sought a term that could be understood intuitively, and came up with "Global Warming". I didn't like it because it was vague compared to the other, more established term. That held true until the year 2000 and the start of the Bush Presidency. He began having his White House Staff edit the reports by the scientists (that your taxes paid for), removing all references to the urgency of the situation. It was they who replaced the vague "Global Warming" with the even vaguer "Climate Change". So the content of the scientific reports became "Whoops! The Climate is changing. What is it changing to? We have no idea." Many of the researchers whose names were used in those reports have resigned and spoken out publically about how the White House falsified their findings and used their names, all without their knowledge or consent.
I still don't believe this Gore fellow you all like to talk about really has the Time Machine he would need to do all the things you like to say he did.
Yeah, I remember that. Isn't that when they predicted the ozone layer was disappearing and that big ol hole was portending disaster? What happened?
We stopped putting most of the freons that are harmful to the ozone in the atmosphere. While we haven't reversed the earlier damage, we have stop the decline. A great example of collective decision making and US leadership.
We stopped putting most of the freons that are harmful to the ozone in the atmosphere. While we haven't reversed the earlier damage, we have stop the decline. A great example of collective decision making and US leadership.
Ozone depletion potential (ODP) (Notes 2 and 4)
HFC's-0.00
HCFC's-0.05
2. ODP: a normalized indicator of the ability of a refrigerant to destroy stratospheric ozone molecules referenced to a value of 1.000
for CFC-11.
4. Information sources: Honeywell (2003), ANSI/ASHRAE Standard 34-2001, and ODP and GWP data WMO (2002).
Global warming potential (GWP), 100 yr. (Notes 3 and 4)
HFC's-1,997
HCFC's-1,780
3. GWP: a mass-weighted average indicator of the ability to trap radiant energy as a greenhouse gas relative to carbon dioxide
(CO2) for a 100-year integration period.
4. Information sources: Honeywell (2003), ANSI/ASHRAE Standard 34-2001, and ODP and GWP data WMO (2002).
Guess which one is being phased out and which one is being phased in? Freon is a trade name. It really should be referred to as refrigerant because of the numerous mfg's.
Ozone depletion potential (ODP) (Notes 2 and 4)
HFC's-0.00
HCFC's-0.05
2. ODP: a normalized indicator of the ability of a refrigerant to destroy stratospheric ozone molecules referenced to a value of 1.000
for CFC-11.
4. Information sources: Honeywell (2003), ANSI/ASHRAE Standard 34-2001, and ODP and GWP data WMO (2002).
Global warming potential (GWP), 100 yr. (Notes 3 and 4)
HFC's-1,997
HCFC's-1,780
3. GWP: a mass-weighted average indicator of the ability to trap radiant energy as a greenhouse gas relative to carbon dioxide
(CO2) for a 100-year integration period.
4. Information sources: Honeywell (2003), ANSI/ASHRAE Standard 34-2001, and ODP and GWP data WMO (2002).
Guess which one is being phased out and which one is being phased in? Freon is a trade name. It really should be referred to as refrigerant because of the numerous mfg's.
Chloroflourocarbons. From what I've seen the role of CFC's in global warming is pretty marginal. The Ozone Hole was the major deal. Somehow they always get drug in, like 2012 and Al Gore.
So the hole is better or worse than global warming? HCFC's contain the chlorine molecule with is the destructive part to the ozone. HFC's while they don't have the chlorine molecule has a greater global warming potential and they are calling these environmentally friendly.
In reality the amount the actually gets vented is very minimal and anyone that messes with refrigerants understands the penalty for not keeping records and/or venting to the atmosphere. It's blown way out of porportion and the proof is in how many actual fines they have given out which is avaialable on the EPA's website.
My personal opinion is it was blown out of porportion and it's going to force billions to be spent on retrofitting HVAC systems. Good for the economy but bad for personal savings.
So the hole is better or worse than global warming? HCFC's contain the chlorine molecule with is the destructive part to the ozone. HFC's while they don't have the chlorine molecule has a greater global warming potential and they are calling these environmentally friendly.
In reality the amount the actually gets vented is very minimal and anyone that messes with refrigerants understands the penalty for not keeping records and/or venting to the atmosphere. It's blown way out of porportion and the proof is in how many actual fines they have given out which is avaialable on the EPA's website.
My personal opinion is it was blown out of porportion and it's going to force billions to be spent on retrofitting HVAC systems. Good for the economy but bad for personal savings.
The problem with ozone depletion was CFCs. There's no issue here, just noise.
You say was. I can still go buy CFC's and HCFC's right around the corner and will be able to till the stock runs out for CFC's and HCFC's are set for 2030 (although CFC is ridiculous in price right now). The only thing changing till then is new equipment. I also have around 100 refrigerators with CFC's in them. Like wise for all the other refrigerators over 15 or so years old and other appliances.
The point is they have a whole bunch of people believing they are fixing problems. They aren't they are just concealing it better. Without refrigeration though the world would be a dismal place.
You say was. I can still go buy CFC's and HCFC's right around the corner and will be able to till the stock runs out for CFC's and HCFC's are set for 2030 (although CFC is ridiculous in price right now). The only thing changing till then is new equipment. I also have around 100 refrigerators with CFC's in them. Like wise for all the other refrigerators over 15 or so years old and other appliances.
The point is they have a whole bunch of people believing they are fixing problems. They aren't they are just concealing it better. Without refrigeration though the world would be a dismal place.
They did fix the problem. The ozone stopped declining.
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