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View Poll Results: Solution or Problem
1 - Govt is always the Solution 0 0%
2 3 4.55%
3 6 9.09%
4 - Sometimes the Solution, sometimes the Problem 17 25.76%
5 10 15.15%
6 11 16.67%
7 - Govt is always the Problem 19 28.79%
Not Sure 0 0%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-05-2009, 07:13 AM
 
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Government is mostly corrupt and it is getting more so every election and at this point, its almost encouraged. Once you have the attitude that the people are either too stupid to know better or so ignorant they don't even care, you become an enemy of the people and a free democracy.
The government doesn't build, make or provide anything. It simply directs and redistributes resources of what the people have, make and provide. To a point that's fine, but the larger government gets, the more it wants to do, and the less we're able to support it. We're at a tipping point now where governments have to scale back, state, local, federal or face insolvency. That means cutting government jobs, cutting programs. Cutting spending across the board. Major corporations have discovered this and are already doing it, the government has to also.
To do otherwise is reckless, careless and alarmingly short sighted.
Local charities and organizations can help pick up the slack and do it more effectively anyway.
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Old 01-05-2009, 07:17 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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If/when you come up with a reply that's coherent, be sure to post that one as well...

how about this one then, goverment is always a show of force, very rarely a benefit to anyone and almost always a bane to everyone.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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Lol....the government is the American people...or at least that's what they would have us believe....If you think being allowed to continue to operate even with failure after failure is the right thing to do then someone trying to explain to you how government is a failure is futile.
why dont you explain it to all of us and provide a suggestion of how it should be done (that is realistic)...
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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always is the problem, never will be the solution and the goverment should be as intended and should be less than .1% of the total population in size.

meaning that there should be not more than 330,000 people total employed by the federal goverment, and that includes all politicians.

also since the goverment is public service, no benefits apply to it either, and no retirement.
so, a small military, 10 postal workers, no air traffic controllers, few police officers...
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:12 AM
 
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why dont you explain it to all of us and provide a suggestion of how it should be done (that is realistic)...
Which part? You want me to solve it all and give that info away for free?
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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Government is mostly corrupt and it is getting more so every election and at this point, its almost encouraged. Once you have the attitude that the people are either too stupid to know better or so ignorant they don't even care, you become an enemy of the people and a free democracy.
The government doesn't build, make or provide anything. It simply directs and redistributes resources of what the people have, make and provide. To a point that's fine, but the larger government gets, the more it wants to do, and the less we're able to support it. We're at a tipping point now where governments have to scale back, state, local, federal or face insolvency. That means cutting government jobs, cutting programs. Cutting spending across the board. Major corporations have discovered this and are already doing it, the government has to also.
To do otherwise is reckless, careless and alarmingly short sighted.
Local charities and organizations can help pick up the slack and do it more effectively anyway.
umm, what about rockets? military? police? roads? schools? libraries?



and for those of you that seem to hate govt so much, you do realize there is no place on earth you can go to escape some sort of govt?
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:30 AM
 
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how about this one then, goverment is always a show of force, very rarely a benefit to anyone and almost always a bane to everyone.
Oh, I liked the government's show of force plenty when the 101st Airborne walked nine black children into Central High School.

I liked it even more when the Federal government nationalized the Alabama National Guard to move George Wallace out of the doorway of the University of Alabama.

And I damed sure liked the US governments show of force to make sure that black voters could go to the polls and exercise their rights as citizens.

There is a lot to like about the coercive nature of government.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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I guess if you ignore the fact that government is why those were ever needed in the first place....
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:36 AM
 
Location: southern california
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taxpayers need to take aunt sam's mastercard away asap. china did it we need to do it.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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I guess if you ignore the fact that government is why those were ever needed in the first place....
In part, but the government didn't start slavery and it was getting "Big Government" out of the states hair that led to the end of reconstruction and the establishment of Jim Crow.
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