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View Poll Results: Should they re-draw the Israel Palestinian borders?
No, the British did a absolutely great job of that! 2 6.25%
Yes, the British did a absolutely crappy job of that! 12 37.50%
Just eliminate Palestine 11 34.38%
Just eliminate Israel 7 21.88%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-06-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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The war will go on forever if there is not an easy way to seperate the 2.

 
Old 01-06-2009, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Get rid of the terrorist state of israel.
 
Old 01-06-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Get rid of the terrorist state of israel.

They have evolved, in my mind, into a terrorist state, but they do have a right to exist in some form. My only question would be...who's going to enforce these new borders that the poll proposes?
 
Old 01-06-2009, 08:03 PM
 
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Actually, I think the Palestinians should cede their territory to Israel and once the occupied territories are officially part of Israel then everyone get one vote. Just like South Africa.

One nation solution.
 
Old 01-06-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Actually, I think the Palestinians should cede their territory to Israel and once the occupied territories are officially part of Israel then everyone get one vote. Just like South Africa.

One nation solution.
I think there would be a great deal of resistance within Israel to the idea of allowing the Palestinians to vote.

The Israelis have prevented, or put off, the Palestinians from voting in the past, because they didn't like the candidates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/22/in...22mideast.html
 
Old 01-06-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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Oh I realize Israel would object but since they so desire the occupied territories and already occupy much of the land in them. They can't take the land and kick out all the Palestinians, that is ethnic cleansing. Two state solution won't work for the reason Arafat turned down Israels last offer, because it was like freckles on a kids nose. Tiny scattered outposts of Palestinian lands only connected by Jewish only roads and Jewish only settlements, there would be no way to get between them.

So, one state solution with one man, one vote. Israel is a democracy or so they claim. I figure since the Arabs outnumber the Israeli's by a wide margin, it would only be a few years and there would be no problem with Israel.
 
Old 01-06-2009, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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That isn't accurate, Topper (see 3 and 4).

Israel is looking towards a two state solution, the Palestinians turned down an agreement that gave them over 95% of the West Bank, and all of Gaza. For the sake of factual accuracy, here is the information from the US negotiator at that time:

Here is the transcript from Dennis Ross, Clinton's negotiator for the Middle East:

DENNIS ROSS: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AT CAMP DAVID AND BEYOND

A summary by Dennis Ross of what was offered and what took place at the Camp David and Taba negotiations:

1. Yasser Arafat presented no ideas at Camp David.

2. The Taba talks would have happened in late September if not for the outbreak of violence. Arafat knew the US was ready to make a proposal and thus promised to control the violence, but didn't. (I think he was hoping that he could leverage the violence into political gain.)

3. All of Gaza and a net of 97% of the West Bank were offered at Taba.

4. The West Bank area offered was contiguous, not "cantons".

5. The Jordan valley would be under Israeli patrol for only 6 years.

6. The Palestinians were offered a capital in eastern Jerusalem.



Mideast Dispatch Archive: Dennis Ross on the “Camp David myths” of the anti-Israel crowd
 
Old 01-06-2009, 08:44 PM
 
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Thing is, there is a lot of information that refutes what you posted

this being pdf format
http://www.palestineinformation.org/barak.pdf

Now while I realize this is just a blog, however it has enough information cited and sourced to save me from having to compile much.

The Hasbara Buster: Who walked away from what
 
Old 01-06-2009, 09:16 PM
 
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My source is Dennis Ross, who was the lead US negotiator.

I wouldn't trust a site that was Palestinian, as you had posted, just as I wouldn't quote from a site that was Israeli.

This is easily verified, it was a televised interview:

FOXNews.com - Dennis Ross on Fox News Sunday - U.S. & World
 
Old 01-06-2009, 09:28 PM
 
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Actually after reading the wiki on the whole of the Camp David affair, it seems that things broke down over East Jerusalem. The Palestinians wanted complete sovereignty and not just custodial guardianship. Reason being that if they ceded the west wall, it would also have meant including the Al-Aqsa Mosque, one of Islam's most holy sites.

2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems they say that 73% was originally offered, then later 90-91%.

In any case, I don't believe a two state solution will ever be reached. Now there are so many settlements in the occupied territories it is unfeasible.
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