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Old 03-14-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Why did the Congress tell Bush to go for it?

Because they were presented fake evidence????
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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Locking up of prisoners does not make torturing them legal. As for the Supreme Court, please provide the link pertaining to torture being legal. The U.S. does not torture! Period! Only someone that gets a perverse sort of gratification would condone this. Unfortunately, there are people that consider thmeselves patriotic citizens of this country find excuse for what this gang of thugs have done. Where are the 17 Saudis that were involved in 9/11? You know the Saudis, the people that have a royal family that Bush is in bed with. Where's Osama bin Laden?
Locking up prisoners is not torture..
The US does to torture, it has since the beginning of time, or dont you consider those being burned alive by the Clintons torture? The ground rules are we just dont torture in countries covered by the Geneva Convention.

Supreme court ruled that detaining prisoners are legal,
DefenseLink News Article: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Detain Enemy Combatants

The Geneva Convention limits our ability to torture "prisoners of war",
Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War (http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm - broken link)

In 1942 the US Supreme court ruled that there is a difference between legal and illegal combatants
Ex parte Quirin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As anyone knows, enemy combatants are not "prisoners of war"..
If your going to argue facts, please be informed. Arguments based upon the feelings that the US should not torture does not change the fact that we can, do, and always have either tortured directly, or we have contracted this out to other countries to do it for us..
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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Why did the Congress tell Bush to go for it?

Because they were presented fake evidence????
Really? You mean all the investigation that the Congress did on their OWN was faked?
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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Why did the Congress tell Bush to go for it?

Because they were presented fake evidence????
You mean the evidence that was compiled going back to the Clinton administration, or are you going to be a partisan kook and believe that Bush lied and made it all up?
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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Why did the Congress tell Bush to go for it?
For the very same reason I supported Bush at the time...we were lied to!
I donn't know about you , but when someone lies to me, especially about something of such gravity, I will not trust them ever again and support their being brought to justice. The Bush criminal administration showed us who they are...believe them!
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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An administration that tortures people in secret and has secret groups that go into other countries and execute "enemies" can't be trusted.

If you are going to condemn other countries for things you do yourself, you are a hypocrite.
That is all.
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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For the very same reason I supported Bush at the time...we were lied to!
So - the information / intel given to Bush by Clinton, that the Congress saw and investigated, was faked? You are saying that Clinton faked the intel?
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Old 03-14-2009, 03:01 PM
 
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Why don't you specify WHAT information you are talking about, instead of making vague statements?
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Old 03-14-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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Locking up prisoners is not torture..
The US does to torture, it has since the beginning of time, or dont you consider those being burned alive by the Clintons torture? The ground rules are we just dont torture in countries covered by the Geneva Convention.

Supreme court ruled that detaining prisoners are legal,
DefenseLink News Article: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Detain Enemy Combatants

The Geneva Convention limits our ability to torture "prisoners of war",
Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War (http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm - broken link)


In 1942 the US Supreme court ruled that there is a difference between legal and illegal combatants
Ex parte Quirin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As anyone knows, enemy combatants are not "prisoners of war"..
If your going to argue facts, please be informed. Arguments based upon the feelings that the US should not torture does not change the fact that we can, do, and always have either tortured directly, or we have contracted this out to other countries to do it for us..
I stated that locking up a prisoner and torturing them are two different things. The United States does not torture POW's or enemy combatants. As a matter of fact The WTC was supposed to be treated as a crime scene, not a declaration of war and it was not.

If you were well read and informed you would know that torture does not work anyway.

Why Torture Does Not Work: A Military Perspective

Why Torture Does Not Work: A Military Perspective | CommonDreams.org
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Old 03-14-2009, 03:03 PM
 
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For the very same reason I supported Bush at the time...we were lied to!
I donn't know about you , but when someone lies to me, especially about something of such gravity, I will not trust them ever again and support their being brought to justice. The Bush criminal administration showed us who they are...believe them!


Oohh.. you were serious.. Let me guess, you think Clinton was just wonderful though..
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