Admit it; The Surge worked - from a Liberal columnist (Obama, invasion)
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Hell, only 16 US soldiers lost their lives in December. Of course the great victory, has installed a pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, and made Iran one of the biggest players in the Gulf region, but hey, the Surge™ worked, and I will be the first to admit it.
Let's see...we've elected Hezbollah in Lebabnon, Hamas in Palestine, and SCIRI in Iraq. Yes, the Blessings of Democracy® have come to the Middle East...
Let's get this straight: the generals, thank god, found a way to extinguish the fire Bush set--and we're supposed to give Bush the credit for it? All's well that ends well, right?
I don't f'n think so. Beinart is from the left-neocon crowd at the New Republic. He'd kiss anyone's posterior as long as they are securely in the pocket of the Israelis.
Let's get this straight: the generals, thank god, found a way to extinguish the fire Bush set--and we're supposed to give Bush the credit for it? All's well that ends well, right?
I don't f'n think so. Beinart is from the left-neocon crowd at the New Republic. He'd kiss anyone's posterior as long as they are securely in the pocket of the Israelis.
Yeah Bush deserves credit. He deserves it more then Harry "The war is lost" Reid and Hillary "Petreaus is a liar" Clinton. Dems mocked him for the surge. He fought through their BS and did it anyway & he was right.
Things are so bad for the Bushies that THIS is what they have to stoop to in order to claim that something...anything...actually worked.
All the other things you list could not have happened without the surge. Funny, the left is always so willing to give credit to others instead of our military and commanders that implemented the strategy.
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Peter Beinart has a pro-israel viewpoint, as does the OP
THIS thread is about a big-time Lib telling his brethren to admit the surge worked.
All the other things you list could not have happened without the surge. Funny, the left is always so willing to give credit to others instead of our military and commanders that implemented the strategy.
Wasn't my list. All those things that were as or more important than the surge came straight from Beinart's article. Did you even read it? They also predated the surge, which would seem to put a crack or two in your theory of dependency.
Wasn't my list. All those things that were as or more important than the surge came straight from Beinart's article. Did you even read it? They also predated the surge, which would seem to put a crack or two in your theory of dependency.
Of course. Not my theory - just the facts. The surge was the driving catalyst for the reconciliation and reduction in violence, no matter how much you wish it weren't so. Why is that?
Let me remind you of the title from a big-time lib; Admit It: The Surge Worked
Which is a far cry from an absence of violence. Violence by the way is the antithesis of peace. As for reconciliation, we quite aways from that. Let's see how the provincial elections play out. Many of the "reconciled" parties are banking on those elections for their peace(sic) of the prize. Let's see how the Maliki government incorporates the Sunni's. Let's see how the political fighting over Tikrit plays out. Let's see if the ethnic cleansing and the return of both internally and externally displaced Iraqis plays out. The Surgeâ„¢ may be the ticket for our exit strategy, but the forces unleashed by Bush's ill-conceived war will be playing out for years to come, the success of the Surgeâ„¢ notwithstanding.
Their ideology prevailed and remains resolute. The surge militarily took control of a few towns, but so what? What a waste!
bin Laden - still alive and flourishing.
al Queda - gaining strength.
WMDs - never found.
Iraq - internal chaos unless we remain there. pathetic.
Afghanistan - still the same after the disruption.
Bush - wrong.
Cheney - wrong.
Red states - wrong.
Conservatives - wrong.
Republicans - wrong.
Money spent on war - grossly excessive and ineffective. This is why this country is now in a free fall.
Of course. Not my theory - just the facts. The surge was the driving catalyst for the reconciliation and reduction in violence, no matter how much you wish it weren't so. Why is that?
Let me try again. US assassinations had been going on for years, and both the so-called Anbar Awakening and Moqtada's cease fire preceded the surge. That means they came first. How in your world do current events occur as the result of a "driving catalyst" that hasn't happened yet?
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Originally Posted by sanrene
Let me remind you of the title from a big-time lib; Admit It: The Surge Worked
As has been pointed out, Beinart is less than a "big-time lib". And he proceeds rather early on to contradict his own title with these words...
Is the surge solely responsible for the turnaround? Of course not. Al-Qaeda alienated the Sunni tribes; Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army decided to stand down; the United States assassinated key insurgent and militia leaders, all of which mattered as much if not more than the increase in U.S. troops.
If these words seem familiar, it may be because I quoted them earlier...
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The surge did NOT work
