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Old 01-19-2009, 11:44 AM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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I have to congratulate Bush.... He was VERY LATE in doing this - but he finally did the right thing and commuted the sentences of the two border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Joe Compean.

There time in jail will end March 20th...

Why he didn't do this earlier - I can only assume was because he was doing Mexico a favor by intimidating the border patrol by making examples of these two heroes.
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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No, he didn't "get it right." It was Bush's lawyers and judges who put these two in jail to begin with. It's just one tiny step in undoing his damage to America.
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: California
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I have to congratulate Bush.... He was VERY LATE in doing this - but he finally did the right thing and commuted the sentences of the two border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Joe Compean.

There time in jail will end March 20th...

Why he didn't do this earlier - I can only assume was because he was doing Mexico a favor by intimidating the border patrol by making examples of these two heroes.
There is still a sherriff in prison for the same type of hype, I wish he would let him go also but it's a good thing he did it.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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Here's the story.

Bush commutes sentences of border agents
Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090119/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pardons - broken link)
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:21 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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No, he didn't "get it right." It was Bush's lawyers and judges who put these two in jail to begin with. It's just one tiny step in undoing his damage to America.
I agree - they never should have gone to jail in the first place...

But commuting their sentences is a lot better than letting them rot in jail...

He just took far too long to do it.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Bush was pounded with faxes,emails and phone calls about these agents and a lot were from me, I actually got answers back on some emails. I didn't ask for commuted sentences I ask for pardons for these agents which I think they deserve. The good thing is they will be free men in a few weeks and be with their family again, as Roaddog said the sheriff in TX locked up for this same BS should be a free man also.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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Bush was pounded with faxes,emails and phone calls about these agents and a lot were from me, I actually got answers back on some emails. I didn't ask for commuted sentences I ask for pardons for these agents which I think they deserve. The good thing is they will be free men in a few weeks and be with their family again, as Roaddog said the sheriff in TX locked up for this same BS should be a free man also.
I agree completely...

I've always suspected that Bush cut some deal with Vicente Fox to allow the illegal immigration flood-gates to be opened wide... and putting Campean and Ramos in jail was intentionally meant to have a chilling affect on our border agents - to intimidate them into NOT doing their jobs...
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Livingston, Montana
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LMFAO. [MOD CUT]

He only commuted the sentence because he felt they were fairly tried and were punished enough w/their fine, loss of a job and loss of reputation

Is he a[MOD CUT] or what? Apparently not only can he not speak well but he can't read.

Loss of reputation???? HOLY CRAP Those 2 have GREAT reputations now. Now those 2 are heroes not that [MOD CUT]moving into the WHITE House

Last edited by Ibginnie; 01-19-2009 at 06:57 PM.. Reason: Rude and crude! Can't you make your point and clean it up?
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I don't for a moment believe these men received a fair trial. When a known Mexican drug smuggler is allowed to give testimony in the trials and information which would discredit his testimony is kept from the jury, all semblance of fairness flew out the window. There was concrete evidence that a truck full of drugs was found in close proximity to Aldrete but Johnny Sutton kept that fact out of testimony. And in further evidence of his crime, Aldrete has since been tried and convicted of possession of that load of drugs plus of additional ones since the border agents trials and he is now in prison. When that happened those border agents should have been immediately released. Hopefully a couple of their supporters will come forth with new jobs for these men as they will never be allowed back into the Border Patrol.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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These two Border Patrol agents ARE guilty of firing their weapons and trying to cover it up. They were supposed to file a report stating why they had to discharge their weapons. So for intentionally trying to cover that up, they definitely deserved serious disciplinary action, maybe even the loss of their jobs.

But they DID NOT deserve criminal charges to be filed against them, nor did they deserve to go to jail. Any disciplinary action taken against them for violating protocol should have come from within the Border Patrol. They never should have been charged with a crime.

I'm really glad they're finally going to get out.
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