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BJ - You are wrong. The entire Cold War was propogated and promoted by the faithful worshipers of MAMMON, God of the marketplace.
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Religion is one of the forms of spiritual oppression which everywhere weighs down heavily upon the masses of the people, over burdened by their perpetual work for others, by want and isolation. Impotence of the exploited classes in their struggle against the exploiters just as inevitably gives rise to the belief in a better life after death as impotence of the savage in his battle with nature gives rise to belief in gods, devils, miracles, and the like. Those who toil and live in want all their lives are taught by religion to be submissive and patient while here on earth, and to take comfort in the hope of a heavenly reward. But those who live by the labour of others are taught by religion to practise charity while on earth, thus offering them a very cheap way of justifying their entire existence as exploiters and selling them at a moderate price tickets to well-being in heaven. Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man.
Good post FCG.
What a lot of posters here are ignorant of is the fact that the covering up that these women engage in has no basis in their religion.
Nowhere in the Quran or in the history of the Islamic faith is there any edict for women to cover themselves.
This is a fairly recent phenomenon and it is all about the control Muslim men have decided to exert over their women.
I wonder where it is written in the Quran that women are forbidden from driving a car?
Prove that the women-cashiers were Muslims. You're making the same error as the FormerCaliforniaGirl and wehotex, both of whom hyperventilated over the sight of scarves and the thought of Muslim rape, when there is no shred of evidence that these women are even Muslims. It was the bigotry of judging people by their appearances that started this thread.
Do you deny that Christian atrocities occurred? Your defense has been that "it happened long time ago" doesn't hold water. The fact that they did happen, and these atrocities were justified using Christian scripture and officlal church teachings, demonstrates the same proclivities for barbarism that Islam possesses. As far as I know, Christian scripture hasn't changed, has it?
The only reason Christian atrocities no longer happen on a widespread level today is because of the rise of secular states over the past 200 years that restrain competing religious ideologies from slitting each other's throats. Absent secularism, I'm not as sanguine as you about the supposed "progression from barbarism" of Christianity.
Now back to the topic. If wearing a scarf is equivalent to condoning rape and stoning to death, then attending Catholic church is equivalent to condoning child molestation. After all, your church donations are being used to shelter and defend child pedohiles from the reach of the law. Explain why I can't use the same standards on you.
You can compare atrocities that are concurrent, but to try to draw a line from barbarism A to barbarism B with 500 years between the two is illogical, and does not hold up.
Let me make it plain......We can talk about the crusades, plenty of barbarism to go around during that time. We can talk about the Barbary Coast privaterism that was happening concurrently with christians attempts at legitimizing slavery through biblical references. But we cannot compare witch burnings of 1490 to a 13 year old rape victim being stoned to death for her sin that happened last year. It is impossible.
As to going to a catholic church being the same as condoning child molestation -- you would be correct IF parishoneers were aware of the churchs continued protection of pedophiles. That is not the case. As I wrote in my post to you (that you chose to ignore, wonder why?) catholics once fully aware of the immoral and illegal goings on of the catholic church demanded change....and they got it. But not content with that, they continue to be watch dogs of their priests, diocese and archdiocese for wrong doing. And when they find it, they tell it to all and demand action. And withold all monies going to the church. Now, are moderate muslims doing the same? If they were to do so, maybe this world would be a more peaceful place.
And I might add, I never said that wearing a head scarf was tantamount to terrorism or the acceptance thereof. In my post regarding the OP, I wrote as long as the headscarf doesnot interfere with their job responsibilities or safety then I have no problem with it. I did add that personally I do have a problem with the full hijab regalia where only a womans eyes are showing. But I then admitted it could very well be that as a western woman I see it not so much a symbol of devotion to god or modesty but as a way to marginalize women. Just my opinion, of course.
Prove that the women-cashiers were Muslims. You're making the same error as the FormerCaliforniaGirl and wehotex, both of whom hyperventilated over the sight of scarves and the thought of Muslim rape, when there is no shred of evidence that these women are even Muslims. It was the bigotry of judging people by their appearances that started this thread.
They were Middle Eastern in appearance, not Indian, nor asian. I happen to live in an area with many Indians. I think that I know the difference. Next time I'll be sure to ask them if they are muslim. They should not be dressed in head to toe hijab at a workplace. I'd feel the same way if a nun with habit was working the cashier at the place of business.
They were Middle Eastern in appearance, not Indian, nor asian. I happen to live in an area with many Indians. I think that I know the difference. Next time I'll be sure to ask them if they are muslim. They should not be dressed in head to toe hijab at a workplace. I'd feel the same way if a nun with habit was working the cashier at the place of business.
Your mistake is you assumed they are Muslims based on their appearance. All Muslims look alike, right? The scarves and the "Middle Eastern" look are what suckered you in. "Middle Eastern" is also a broad area. Can you tell a Christian Arab from a Muslim Arab just from their looks and their clothes? I know a Syrian female (Muslim) physician who would look at home in the fashion boutiques of Beverly Hills. I also know a Lebanese female physician (Christian) who dresses very conservatively and uses a scarf.
As far as asking whether the cashiers were Muslims......I suppose you can do it. But you will probably just make yourself look like an idiot in the process. I mean, if they said they were Muslims, what are you going to do? Are you going to run out of the department store and call the cops? Are you going to return the merchandise you bought because the cashier serving you is a Muslim? Are you going to complain to the employer as to why he hired Muslims wearing scarves because it affected your "shopping experience"? Are you going to cause these women who are just making an honest living to be fired just because you didn't like them wearing scarves?
I went to a department store a few months and was repulsed to see 2 muslim women cashiers with scarves on. Why don't these ppl try to assimilate to American ways? If they want to wear their scarves so religiously, why don't they go back to their own countries and live among their own? I noticed that when i went back, they were gone. Does an employer have a right to demand that they stick to a uniform dress code for its employees? My problem with muslims is that they repeatedly go to "tolerant" countries like Netherlands and US and refuse to give up their primitive religious beliefs and dress codes or assimilate.
They ARE assimilating to the American ways... see, we have this pesky thing called freedom of religion, which allows them the right to wear their religious garb. And how do you know they weren't AMERICAN Muslims? Their dress has nothing to do with national origin, just religion - since Muslims come from all over the world, including the United States. Would you be as offended by a Christian wearing a cross, a Jew wearing a yarmulke, or even a Puritan wearing their special head-covering? I'm guessing the answer is a resounding NO. If you don't like seeing people of different religions freely expressing their beliefs, maybe you are the one who doesn't belong here?
P.S. Was that honestly the first time you've seen a Muslim wearing a hijab in public? Sheesh, where I live that's a daily sight! As long as it wasn't interfering with their work, I really don't see how it's any of your business. Nosy much??
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If you don't like seeing people of different religions freely expressing their beliefs, maybe you are the one who doesn't belong here?