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What's with the relentless Republican criticism of the stimulus package and anything else that Obama does?
We did it your way for the last eight years and then some. You spent tons of money on the war, you ran up huge deficits of your own, you deregulated business and the financial system ... giving business pretty much anything they wanted.
And what do we have to show for it? The entire economy is on the brink of collapse, people are losing jobs in droves and Republicans either want to do nothing or claim they have a better plan. What plan? The one that completely failed us before when you were in power?
You had your shot. It's now time to try something else.
Maybe it's a good thing that you guys are so out of touch. That way ... you'll keep losing elections.
What's with the relentless Republican criticism of the stimulus package and anything else that Obama does?
We did it your way for the last eight years and then some. You spent tons of money on the war, you ran up huge deficits of your own, you deregulated business and the financial system ... giving business pretty much anything they wanted.
Now the entire economy is on the brink of collapse, people are losing jobs in droves and Republicans either want to do nothing or claim they have a better plan. What plan? The one that completely failed us before when you were in power?
You had your shot. It's now time to try something else.
Maybe it's a good thing that you guys are so out of touch. That way ... you'll keep losing elections.
Well, they have the right to criticize even if most of it is silly, desperate and petty.
I think they are feeling guilty and embarrassed about their last choice of president.
It's like when a person trips in public, they're embarrassed and turn around to look at whatever it was that tripped them...anything to divert from the fact they were clumsy and looked foolish.
Excess government spending contributed to the current economy. Many oppose more excess government spending. This is being billed as a "stimulus" bill but it looks more like a "spending" bill considering the welfare components, money for the NEA, etc.
There is still a legistlative process in this country. Obama was elected president, not crowned King. In 2001 were liberals quiet and did they go along with George Bush?
What's with the relentless Republican criticism of the stimulus package and anything else that Obama does?
We did it your way for the last eight years and then some. You spent tons of money on the war, you ran up huge deficits of your own, you deregulated business and the financial system ... giving business pretty much anything they wanted.
And what do we have to show for it? The entire economy is on the brink of collapse, people are losing jobs in droves and Republicans either want to do nothing or claim they have a better plan. What plan? The one that completely failed us before when you were in power?
You had your shot. It's now time to try something else.
Maybe it's a good thing that you guys are so out of touch. That way ... you'll keep losing elections.
A lot of that stuff started under past administrations (go google average US credit card debt by year) and was also the fault of the US population that spent wildly etc. (It's their right after all) The economic problems have been building on borrowed money for 20+ years.
Basically, I'm not a big fan of either party and view the job of each party to at least create some opposition as one-party rule is a bad thing. If you don't agree with this, then just look at Bush's many mistakes and how the dems in the house and senate pretty much rolled over for him during those 8 years.
Hold your elected officials responsible, don't tow the party line. I voted for Obama this past election....let's see if he actually keeps his word.
I'm waiting for action on healthcare, Iraq and a number of other key issues...but let's face it...straight party types will reinvent expectations rather than admit their guy didn't come through for them. I'm hoping he does.
Excess government spending contributed to the current economy. Many oppose more excess government spending. This is being billed as a "stimulus" bill but it looks more like a "spending" bill considering the welfare components, money for the NEA, etc.
There is still a legistlative process in this country. Obama was elected president, not crowned King. In 2001 were liberals quiet and did they go along with George Bush?
I think most people gave bush time to prove what a nincompoop he really was.....didn't take long in his case.
Criticism is one thing, empty rant invented simply as means for venting manufactured partisan outrage is another. And it's a whole lot of the latter that we've been seeing lately. Most of this stuff is based on no facts at all, or upon facts that have been so badly twisted from their original form as to be no longer recognizable. No ends are served by this. Nothing is accomplished. It's hot air for the sake of hot air. No doubt there are legitimate areas of debate as to whether the new administration is taking the right course or whether it has considered all the relevant factors, but that's not the direction the discussion has taken. Instead, it's all tabloid this or slanderous that. That's as far as some folks have seemed able to go of late...
I know this, and you know this.....but does Obama and Harry Reid know this?
Who's the biggest fool here?
These GOP trolls who vote no to everything? Who demand 40% of the stimulus be tax cuts....then turn around vote it down because 100% of the stimulus is not tax cuts?
Or are the Dems who are so spineless and meek that they can't get up the nerve to tell these GOP trolls where to stick it?
The stimulus needs to be almost exclusivley Government spending. That is where you get the most bang for you stimulus buck. Infrastructure projects create jobs and pays dividends for decades. Tax cuts get saved and/or spent on cheap molded "made in china" plastic sht at Walmart by consumers.
Kissing GOP asse on this stimulus bill is doing nothing more than weakening the positive effect of the stimulus and getting us more in debt for no good reason. The GOP should be shut out of the process and Dems work on getting a few GOP defectors to vote for it.
Last edited by padcrasher; 02-02-2009 at 09:24 AM..
Excess government spending contributed to the current economy. Many oppose more excess government spending.
So the Republicans spend trillions on the war which, by your account, got us into this mess. But the Democrats can't launch a domestic spending program?
Thanks to you guys ... we don't really have a choice. We've been through this before. Roosevelt's massive domestic spending program was the only thing that got us out of the Great Depression.
A lot of that stuff started under past administrations (go google average US credit card debt by year) and was also the fault of the US population that spent wildly etc. (It's their right after all) The economic problems have been building on borrowed money for 20+ years.
For the record, you might want to be sure those data are adjusted for inflation and express them as a percent of GDP (or perhaps Personal Income), while also realizing that with the expansion of digital capability into every nook and cranny of the economy, an increasing reliance on credit would have been expected simply because it has become the most efficient means of carrying out transactions. More recently (say since 2001), you would also want to look at the share of productivity gains which went to corporate profits versus that which went to wage increases. To the extent that the latter was shortchanged, it would have become possible for inventories to be cleared only by resort to additonal consumer credit.
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