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Old 02-03-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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One reason would be that humans are not selectively "bred" to express a particular phenotype or cultivate a set of behaviors and instincts. To me, "breed" denotes human management or husbandry.
Well yes it has been done though not commonly.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:46 PM
 
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Aldous Huxley (British author) wrote the classic and well-known novel "Brave New World" back in the days when Eugenics WAS considered 'science'. One of the many creepy predictions of a dystopian future from that time (along with Orwell's "1984"), the book largely centered around a future society in which several 'designer' races of humans were "bred" in laboratory conditions, each with a specific purpose.

Unnerving reading, and PROBABLY becoming nearer to 'possible' these days, if we ever lose our sense of ethics.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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Aldous Huxley (British author) wrote the classic and well-known novel "Brave New World" back in the days when Eugenics WAS considered 'science'. One of the many creepy predictions of a dystopian future from that time (along with Orwell's "1984"), the book largely centered around a future society in which several 'designer' races of humans were "bred" in laboratory conditions, each with a specific purpose.

Unnerving reading, and PROBABLY becoming nearer to 'possible' these days, if we ever lose our sense of ethics.
Huxley was one creepy dude. Back in my long-distant youth my college profs were all slobbery over his Brave New World crap.

And then I get some snot nosed undergrad telling ME years later that Huxley believed in a sort of DIVINITY - some oneness with the universe concept. I said, "Son, you best step off before I go all professorial on your ass."

And that my friends, is how it's done...


garble-garble-garble....HEIL HITLER!
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:56 AM
 
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Well yes it has been done though not commonly.
I'm not sure how true that is, but I have not met nor will I ever meet any human who did not arise from a free coupling. Anecdotal, perhaps, but I think it is a fair demonstration of the qualitative difference between black and white people and golden retrievers and huskies, respectively.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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I'm not sure how true that is, but I have not met nor will I ever meet any human who did not arise from a free coupling. Anecdotal, perhaps, but I think it is a fair demonstration of the qualitative difference between black and white people and golden retrievers and huskies, respectively.
This is either the single most brilliant or single most asinine thing placed upon these forums yet.

Pondering.

Pondering.


Pondering.............



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Old 02-04-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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Aldous Huxley (British author) wrote the classic and well-known novel "Brave New World" back in the days when Eugenics WAS considered 'science'. One of the many creepy predictions of a dystopian future from that time (along with Orwell's "1984"), the book largely centered around a future society in which several 'designer' races of humans were "bred" in laboratory conditions, each with a specific purpose.

Unnerving reading, and PROBABLY becoming nearer to 'possible' these days, if we ever lose our sense of ethics.
Good words. There are those who believe God is revealed in Jesus Christ, and there are those who believe He is revealed in every grain of sand. Though not a Deist, Huxley's " secular" spirituality shines through his prose often enough you can't not know its there. He does give it an original spin, like Mencken or Mark Twain.

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Old 02-04-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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I'm not sure how true that is, but I have not met nor will I ever meet any human who did not arise from a free coupling. Anecdotal, perhaps, but I think it is a fair demonstration of the qualitative difference between black and white people and golden retrievers and huskies, respectively.
Royal families, as well as some ethnic and religious groups have a long tradition of arranged marriage.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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Royal families, as well as some ethnic and religious groups have a long tradition of arranged marriage.
So some humans genotypes have been managed. But I guess not enough of them to get recognized by AKC?
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:58 PM
 
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I don't have a lot of time but the essential difference is that human beings do not have enough DNA differences for us to classify them as different "breeds". Race, although perceptible to our eyes as usually dealing with different skin color, epicanthic folds (known in slang as "slanted eyes"), etc... do not comprise enough difference to really classify different "breeds". I'd have to double-check but I believe that amongst different races of people, say an Aboriginal Australian and a typical North American there exists less than .1% difference in our DNA structure.

In fact, while to our perception something like a chimpanzee in a zoo may look like any other chimpanzee we see in a zoo, the DNA differences amongst chimpanzee's is actually far greater than the "racial" differences amongst humans.

In other words, if we were to "transform" ourselves into a chimpanzee, we would see greater differences amongst a chimpanzee from a different part of Africa than we would see if we were to compare white and black. Our perceptions are not always what they seem to be and that is the inherent problem with classifying people by "race" - because we are, on a DNA level, essentially no different than one another.

Professor Richard Dawkins provides an outstanding explanation of this in his book The Ancestor's Tale.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:29 PM
 
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No "breed"? No "races"? How about "unique gene pools"?
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