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Old 02-04-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Make the owners and executives of these companies move to India too. If the owners want the protection and stability of American law and society then they need to pay back by keeping jobs here. If the big-shots don't like it they're free to leave.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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Just because you suffer from a case of white guilt (or have a preconceived notion of whites...not sure of your race) doesn't make the rest of us racists or xenophobes. One might argue you are a voyeur, looking down upon the poor while you slum around the market places, pretending to care about these people while taking photos and making journal/blog entries to impress your equally shallow friends.
I'm incredulous that you think you know enough about me to make such a personal attack as this. Whatever gave you the impression that I am shallow and look down upon the poor? The people I was calling racist and xenophobic are the ones who make the false assumption that a country like India is one gigantic unending slum, and who say "Indian" with that slight sneer of disdain.

Just because I said I'd like to live in a foreign country for a few years to experience a different culture does not mean I'd be wandering the streets snapping photos of starving children and running home to blog about it to my "shallow friends".



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Capitalism is great...greed is not.
If you don't like how a company does business, it's simple enough to not do business with them. That's one of the freedoms we have here in the USA.

And who decides at what point it becomes greed? Business is driven by market demand. If you aren't demanding the product, they won't be making a profit.

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If it was only one or two companies bailing out I could (you mean COULDN'T) care less, but we have hundreds if not thousands who have fled the U.S. so they can exploit foreigners while telling us they are giving them jobs and helping them.
So? Don't patronize them then. And "exploitation of foreigners" is not our business, it's the business of whatever country it's happening in.

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Meanwhile prices don't go down. Look what happened when Nike went to Indonesia. Those workers were being paid a barely livable wage even by their standards of living, yet prices remained the same or went up.
So don't buy Nike shoes.

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These companies also gain the advantage of not paying medical benefits, providing retirements, paying taxes, or contributing in any way towards the U.S. economy.
How many companies that function within the USA don't pay medical benefits, dental/vision, and provide retirement, et cetera? A whole lot...the last time I had benefits at a job was over 20 years ago.

So many people whine and complain about the "evil greedy corporations" who are outsourcing or moving to other countries, and yet there they are every weekend, lining up in front of Wal-Mart to get their cheaply produced foreign goods. So who is really the problem here?
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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There is no language called "American".

I realize that SA ... but that is exactly what the dude said to the class ... I am going to teach you to speak AMERICAN.
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: mass
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Are you kidding!?!

After they move the jobs to India, they want to move their EMPLOYEES to India as well?

Talk about bait and switch.

Give you a job here. (paying 50,000)

Move job to India, paying ($5,000)

Offer to move YOU to India (and get paid $5,000)

So, they get the American employees at a $45,000 savings.

(Not real figures, just throwing them in for illustrative purposes)
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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I'm incredulous that you think you know enough about me to make such a personal attack as this. Whatever gave you the impression that I am shallow and look down upon the poor? The people I was calling racist and xenophobic are the ones who make the false assumption that a country like India is one gigantic unending slum, and who say "Indian" with that slight sneer of disdain.

Just because I said I'd like to live in a foreign country for a few years to experience a different culture does not mean I'd be wandering the streets snapping photos of starving children and running home to blog about it to my "shallow friends".

So I guess we can agree it's not very nice to make broad sweeping generalizations about one another in our posts
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:43 PM
 
Location: USA
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Um, wow...nice xenophobia there.
No. It has nothing to do with me liking or disliking foreigners. I just don't want to go to their country.
I say go and have fun if that's what "you" want to do
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:57 PM
 
Location: where my heart is
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Default When my husband was driving a limo several years ago

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Folks at Harmon Kardon in NY are losing their jobs to India as well. Any company that moves its operations to India or some other third world hole should be boycotted. Ever try calling the customer service for Dell when you have a problem? It's a waste of time.
(offshored from a tech job), he drove a woman to the airport who was going to Texas. They started talking and he asked her what she did for a living. She said she was going to Houston for a seminar to teach Help Line Tech people from India to speak with an American accent so customers would think they were speaking to somebody in the USA.

My husband said he was ready to throw her out of the limo when he heard that, but since HIS job was offshored, he needed the limo job to much.
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Make the owners and executives of these companies move to India too.
Why didn't someone come up with a solution like this before? The moment they realized that they were about to be subjected to their own idiocy, those jobs would be staying right here in the US.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The US Government is not addressing these issues because it has been controlled by the businesses that benefit the most from the arrangment. The financial interests have had nearly complete control of our government policies since Ronnie Raygun. We are now reaping the crop of sorrow planted by his feel good government.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Another thought on this topic. Corporations are formed by investors to limit their individual liability for losses to their investment. This arrangement of limited responsibility is created and regulated by the government. IMHO a cost of this benefit should be government limitations on off shoring, employee wages and benefits and company location.

If an investor wants to take full responsibility for potential losses he can locate wherever he wants with the full realization that if a foreign government steals his business that is his, not our, problem. Of course, as an individual proprietor or full partner, the profits would be taxed as personal income.

Out current economic and business systems are about as far as it is possible to get from a free market. Wal-mart for example uses its huge share of the market to force below market prices on its suppliers. This is an egregious market manipulation and the purchasing side of monopoly. Wal-mart also uses its size to drive local competitors out of business in order to create a local monopoly so it can control prices for increased profit. This is the sales side of monopoly.

In my own case I try to buy American made tools, food and supplies. It costs me a bit more than Wal-mart but at least I know that the wrench I am using won’t break and injure me. That is more than I can say for some tools that were made beyond the sunset that I have used.
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