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Old 02-04-2009, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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I heard on the news today cheney was defending the use of torture, and said that obama reversing many of the past admin. policies is a mistake, and that torturing was a proven effective method. (claims it saved lives) so, while he and bush officially denied torture tactics, it must be true that they authorized it if he is defending their policy of doing it. how much more proof does one need? but, a great link is provided in your post. seems like the ones that were supposed to keep bad things like these revelations out of the public eye are now coming to light. great post!

Sue Crawford (the Gitmo Lady) said one problem with it was that the prisoner was so damaged he was unable to speak, much less stand trial.

Another one I see is that once the White House approved torture as a routine interrogation method (with the sanction of Attorney General Gonzales) some of our own domestic law enforcement officials assumed the sanction applied to them as well. Medical Science says physical and mental abuse of prisoners will always occur unless there are active measures to prevent it. What Bush did was remove those "active measures".

FOXNews.com - Georgia Prisoners File Lawsuit Claiming Routine Beatings, Torture - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

Article | The American Prospect
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I heard on the news today cheney was defending the use of torture, and said that obama reversing many of the past admin. policies is a mistake, and that torturing was a proven effective method. (claims it saved lives) so, while he and bush officially denied torture tactics, it must be true that they authorized it if he is defending their policy of doing it. how much more proof does one need? but, a great link is provided in your post. seems like the ones that were supposed to keep bad things like these revelations out of the public eye are now coming to light. great post!
Thanks!
It is incredible to me that Cheney is still running this BS. I find it absolutely appalling for him to say that everyone at Gitmo deserves to be there when we have cases like this one:
US Judge Orders Release Of 21-Year-Old Gitmo Detainee

based on 'reliable' testimony from people like this:
Detainee-informer presents quandary - Washington Post- msnbc.com
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:53 PM
 
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Thanks!
It is incredible to me that Cheney is still running this BS. I find it absolutely appalling for him to say that everyone at Gitmo deserves to be there when we have cases like this one:
US Judge Orders Release Of 21-Year-Old Gitmo Detainee

based on 'reliable' testimony from people like this:
Detainee-informer presents quandary - Washington Post- msnbc.com

Without the Neocons we'd have only Bin Laden to protect our interests. Is it too early for Bush nostalgia?

Bush in the Balance: | The American Prospect
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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Without the Neocons we'd have only Bin Laden to protect our interests. Is it too early for Bush nostalgia?

Bush in the Balance: | The American Prospect
Good God boy - that link is farting dust!

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Old 02-04-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Holder promises break with Bush policies - Capitol Hill- msnbc.com
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Starting to feel like spring is coming after a long, cold, dark winter.

I particularly like this part:

"For starters, the new attorney general will learn the secrets of the Office of Legal Counsel, whose lawyers justified the use of controversial interrogation tactics and even declined to provide Bush administration documents to internal Justice Department investigators."


Let the sun shine...
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Good God boy - that link is farting dust!

Intended to be. It describes how Global Warming changed from proven science in 1966 when I graduated from High School to the invention of Al Gore, Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Goblins, Gnomes, Baby Rapers, Anti-Americans, Nazi's and career criminals that it became during the Bush Administration. It's not everyday we can pay homage to a transformation like that.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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"9/11"
Nice pic, I seem to remember that guy.... I think his name's "Bin"-something or other. But I also heard that GW said he's not important anymore.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:31 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Starting to feel like spring is coming after a long, cold, dark winter.

I particularly like this part:

"For starters, the new attorney general will learn the secrets of the Office of Legal Counsel, whose lawyers justified the use of controversial interrogation tactics and even declined to provide Bush administration documents to internal Justice Department investigators."


Let the sun shine...
there was more good news there.

The Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program is certain to come under Holder's scrutiny.
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