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View Poll Results: Do You Agree With Actor Val Kilmer About Most Vietnam Vets: "Most (Vietnam Vets) guys were bord
yes 18 16.51%
no 84 77.06%
other 1 0.92%
not sure 6 5.50%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-06-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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I come from a poor area: the only firm that ever comes to the schools to recruit 16 year olds is the army: it picks the people who have no chance of getting a job any other way.
The facts are quite simple: around a third of army recruits would be prime candidates for jail: psychological problems plus low education/skills. A further 50% are considered unsuitable for further training: this leaves around 17% of "normal " people: these are the U.S. military's own figures.
Stating facts seems to be a crime in America: Vietnam Vets were statistically poorer, less educated and black. They would be the kind of people you'd worry about moving next door to you.
Statistically the best way for a woman to get murdered is to marry a viet vet.
You may want to consider that those from your "poor area" do not constitute the entire military.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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I am so astonished on how conservatives always want to punish someone for executing their rights.
who mentioned anything about 'punishment'? point that out please.

are you sure you're even on the right thread?
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:08 PM
 
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Awesomegenius, maybe you could back up some of these stastics for me, I kind of have a hard time believing the military has a 50% wash out rate.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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I guess if you don't vote for Val Kilmer because he's an arse, some people think you are punishing him.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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Good question. I guess when someone has access to a national spotlight on any level and then uses it to disparage something you or someone close to you did, you want to use a forum like this to "set the record straight."

At least that's my thinking...
Great thinking!! But it still might be confusing to some people.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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The facts are quite simple: around a third of army recruits would be prime candidates for jail : psychological problems plus low education/skills [1]. A further 50% are considered unsuitable for further training [2]: this leaves around 17% of "normal " people: these are the U.S. military's own figures.
are they? cite them.

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Vietnam Vets were statistically poorer, less educated and black.
your evidence please.

Only twenty-five (25) percent of the total United States forces serving in Vietnam were draftees as compared to sixty-six (66) percent during World War II.

88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian.


10.6% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Black.


1% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were of other races.


86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics).


12.5% of the men who died in Vietnam were Black.


1.2% of the men who died in Vietnam were of other races.

Source: Vietnam Veterans of America, Speakers Bureau Handbook provided by the Public Affairs Committee
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:25 PM
 
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I guess if you don't vote for Val Kilmer because he's an arse, some people think you are punishing him.
lol. yes, to the liberal mind, this is 'punishment,' i suppose.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:39 PM
 
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From stories I have heard from Nam Vets, Kilmer would not have lasted 5 minutes over there. Kilmer can't act; he's used up his 15-minutes of fame so now he wants to go into politics. However, he is a big blow-hard and has alot of nerve saying the things he did about the men who fought that war and for those that lost their lives doing so. So sad the measures these "non-acting" fools will go to in order to stay in the lime-light. Kilmer is washed up!
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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lol. yes, to the liberal mind, this is 'punishment,' i suppose.
Well, at least it's better than the conservative's idea of punishment... weren't a few conservatives (on another thread) asking why water-boarding is considered torture? Guess we have two extreme definitions of the word "punishment," and I'll happily choose the liberal one.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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Val then....

And now...

My heart weeps
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