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Old 02-06-2009, 07:24 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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correction, what has caused all major economies to collapse is the destruction of the currency
Are you gonna provide something substancial or not.
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:38 PM
 
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"We have to destroy the village [read the U.S] in order to save it"

There is the failure in your trying to 'put your finger on absurdist arguments'. You're equating the government to the country. Neither is the other. The government is a tool to ease the discourse of relations among the fifty-seven states and with foreign interests, to maintain protection of our borders and a properly working system of justice.

Just as many liberals rejected conservative government and/or conservatives reject liberal government, the country remains. The country is the collection of states and their populace. The only thing that makes you and I 'countrymen' is the liberties we enjoy.
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Old 02-06-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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The subhuman socialist drivel doesn't deserve to be dignified with a response, but the "small government" position does. Would you want a cancer just a size of a teaspoon? Heck no! All evil must be abolished, and I've never seen any evil in my life that didn't come from government, and never even an ounce of good!
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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Great idea, let's have unlimited births on one end and euthanasia on the other, that's the trick!

Yes, I am being overly facetious but your argument as a bit of facetious base of logic that didn't leave much room for serious consideration.
And a $62 trillion deficit is not preposterous? Sometimes the logic is missing from both the left and the right but on entitlements it's always the left.
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So we could image that at any given time there might be, say, 40 million people receiving benefits at the back end of the pipeline; and as long as we had 40 million people paying taxes in the front end of the pipe, the program could be sustained forever. It does not require a doubling of participants every time a payment is made to a current beneficiary, or a geometric increase in the number of participants. (There does not have to be precisely the same number of workers and beneficiaries at a given time--there just needs to be a fairly stable relationship between the two.) As long as the amount of money coming in the front end of the pipe maintains a rough balance with the money paid out, the system can continue forever. There is no unsustainable progression driving the mechanism of a pay-as-you-go pension system and so it is not a pyramid or Ponzi scheme.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ponzi.htm
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Sounds like Logan's Run.

No one lives past 30, so social security is not needed, nor is the extensive healthcare associated with unnecessarily prolonging life at scalper's rates.

It might work. If not, there's always the Soylent Green approach.
Much better to talk about movies and fantasy than real life and balance sheets.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:55 AM
 
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65% of the entire workforce. However I have heard 60-70%
If you had asked the Small Business Administration, they would have told you that small businesses (fewer than 500 employees) represent well over 99% of all employers, that just about 50% of the private sector workforce is employed by them, and that those salaries constitute about 45% of total private payrolls. They will tell you that the majority of new jobs (ranging from 60% to 80%) are created by small businesses each year, and if you pressed them on the point, that similar proportions of annual job losses occur in the small business sector as well.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:11 AM
 
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In that case I feel like two Lathers.
Yeah, I'm beyond two Lathers also, but when it comes right down to it, we don't... have to know the name. We don't...have to have the same name. We don't... have to have any name at all. At least that's the way I look at it...
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:48 AM
 
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Congress's limits are to
1) Fiscal Power
2) Trade Regulation
3) Military Power
4) Other Powers
It has to be emphasized, once again, these are the only powers enumerated to Congress, via the U.S. Constitution.
Such does not have to be emphasized at all, and if it were, it would be entirely misleading, since one of the clearly enumerated powers is that to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution any of the other powers vested in the government or any of its departments. Coupled with such as the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause was the Constitution's means for granting to succeeding generations the power to deal with conditions and situations not arisen or anticipated at the time the Constitution was adopted. Madison and Hamilton, both Federalists, insisted that without the clause, the Constitution would be merely a dead letter. Patrick Henry, an anti-Federalist, believed that the clause would ultimately lead to unlimited federal power. Both views may have been correct. In any case, latter-day minimalists have to pretend that the Necssary and Proper Clause simply doesn't exist in order to make any of their arguments...

Last edited by saganista; 02-07-2009 at 06:01 AM..
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Old 02-07-2009, 05:12 AM
 
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Great idea! Tax corporations becase we'll never end up paying those taxes through higher prices and more lost jobs. If it isn't profitable to do business in the US, corporations will simpy go elsewhere. I guess you haven't seen enough of that over the past 30 years.
If we tax people instead, would corporations not need to pay higher salaries in order for people to be able to afford the higher taxes and still have enough after-tax income to purchase all of output at prevailing prices? Are they then left in any different situation than if they had simply gone ahead and paid the tax themselves?

The idea that corporations make global location decisions based on relative tax burden alone is bogus. Corporations are driven by profit. Many factors contribute to profit potential, and it is their summation that matters.
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Old 02-07-2009, 05:14 AM
 
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Obviously no clue about economics.
LOL! There's a lot of that going around in some quarters...
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