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Old 02-08-2009, 12:13 PM
 
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Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel


God loved the birds and invented trees. Man loved the birds and invented cages. ~Jacques Deval, Afin de vivre bel et bien


We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. ~William Ralph Inge, Outspoken Essays, 1922


From beasts we scorn as soulless,
In forest, field and den,
The cry goes up to witness
The soullessness of men.
~M. Frida Hartley


The question is not, "Can they reason?" nor, "Can they talk?" but rather, "Can they suffer?" ~Jeremy Bentham


I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it. ~Abraham Lincoln


Personally, I would not give a fig for any man's religion whose horse, cat and dog do not feel its benefits. Life in any form is our perpetual responsibility. ~S. Parkes Cadman


No one in the world needs a mink coat but a mink. ~Murray Banks


Never wear anything that panics the cat. ~P.J. O'Rourke


Cruelty is one fashion statement we can all do without. ~Rue McClanahan


Ever occur to you why some of us can be this much concerned with animals suffering? Because government is not. Why not? Animals don't vote. ~Paul Harvey


Support your right to arm bears. ~Cleveland Amory (Thank you, Leslie.)


Why should man expect his prayer for mercy to be heard by What is above him when he shows no mercy to what is under him? ~Pierre Troubetzkoy


Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight. ~Albert Schweitzer


Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both sides should know they're in the game. ~Paul Rodriguez


Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. ~George Orwell, Animal Farm


Cockfighting was illegal in Oklahoma until 1963, when a judge ruled that chickens are not animals and therefore unprotected by anticruelty laws. ~U.S. News & World Report, 6 December 1999


Animals give me more pleasure through the viewfinder of a camera than they ever did in the crosshairs of a gunsight. And after I've finished "shooting," my unharmed victims are still around for others to enjoy. I have developed a deep respect for animals. I consider them fellow living creatures with certain rights that should not be violated any more than those of humans. ~Jimmy Stewart


If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we are backing our own side in the struggle for existence, it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reasons. ~C.S. Lewis


Michael W. Fox, vice-president of the Humane Society, said that, "to call an animal with whom you share your life a 'pet,' is reminiscent of men's magazines where you (a figure of speech, don't take it personally) have the Pet of the Month." It is supposed that the continued use of the word "pet" to designate dogs or cats threatens to reduce their level of respect to the current status of twentieth century North American women. Now that's radical. ~The McGill Red Herring


People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. ~Author Unknown


Though boys throw stones at frogs in sport, the frogs do not die in sport, but in earnest. ~Bion, "Water and Land Animals," Plutarch


The squirrel that you kill in jest, dies in earnest. ~Henry David Thoreau


Drinking without being thirsty and making love at any time, Madame, are the only things that distinguish us from other animals. ~Pierre-Augustin Caron de Beaumarchais, The Marriage of Figaro, 1784, translated


I ask people why they have deer heads on their walls. They always say because it's such a beautiful animal. There you go. I think my mother is attractive, but I have photographs of her. ~Ellen DeGeneres


When a man wantonly destroys one of the works of man we call him a vandal. When he destroys one of the works of god we call him a sportsman. ~Joseph Wood Krutch


The fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of a gun. ~P.G. Wodehouse


If you love animals called pets, why do you eat animals called dinner? ~As seen on a shirt at veganstore.com


The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creatures that cannot. ~Mark Twain, What Is Man, 1906


Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow-creatures is amusing in itself. ~James Anthony Froude, Oceana, 1886


The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men. ~Alice Walker


As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour toward creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right. ~Isaac Bashevis Singer


Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage. ~Sri Aurobindo


When I was twelve, I went hunting with my father and we shot a bird. He was laying there and something struck me. Why do we call this fun to kill this creature [who] was as happy as I was when I woke up this morning. ~Marv Levy


Those who wish to pet and baby wild animals "love" them. But those who respect their natures and wish to let them live normal lives, love them more. ~Edwin Way Teale, Circle of the Seasons, 1953


It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions. ~Mark Twain


The woods were made for the hunters of dreams,
The brooks for the fishers of song;
To the hunters who hunt for the gunless game
The streams and the woods belong.
~Sam Walter Foss


Animals can communicate quite well. And they do. And generally speaking, they are ignored. ~Alice Walker


Lisa: "Do we have any food that wasn't brutally slaughtered?"
Homer: "Well, I think the veal died of loneliness."
~Matt Groening, The Simpsons

Cruelty must be whitewashed by a moral excuse, and pretense of reluctance. ~George Bernard Shaw


In an earlier stage of our development most human groups held to a tribal ethic. Members of the tribe were protected, but people of other tribes could be robbed or killed as one pleased. Gradually the circle of protection expanded, but as recently as 150 years ago we did not include blacks. So African human beings could be captured, shipped to America and sold. In Australia white settlers regarded Aborigines as a pest and hunted them down, much as kangaroos are hunted down today. Just as we have progressed beyond the blatantly racist ethic of the era of slavery and colonialism, so we must now progress beyond the speciesist ethic of the era of factory farming, of the use of animals as mere research tools, of whaling, seal hunting, kangaroo slaughter and the destruction of wilderness. We must take the final step in expanding the circle of ethics. ~Pete Singer


Get a feel for fur: Slam your fingers in a car door. ~Anonymous, on the use of steel traps to capture fur-bearing animals, cited in Audubon, November 1990


Dogs are getting bigger, according to a leading dog manufacturer. ~Leo Rosten


Whether hunting is right or wrong, a spiritual experience, or an outlet for the killer instinct, one thing it is not is a sport. Sport is when individuals or teams compete against each other under equal circumstances to determine who is better at a given game or endeavor. Hunting will be a sport when deer, elk, bears, and ducks are... given 12-gauge shotguns. Bet we'd see a lot fewer drunk yahoos (live ones, anyway) in the woods if that happened. ~R. Lerner, letter, Sierra, March-April 1991


Heaven is by favor; if it were by merit your dog would go in and you would stay out. Of all the creatures ever made [man] is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the only one... that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. ~Mark Twain


Evolutionary biology is now uttering and seeking those forces that link us with all those that have being. If we can discover the meaning in the trilling of a frog, perhaps we may understand why it is for us not merely noise but a song of poetry and emotion. ~Adrian Forsyth, A Natural History of Sex, 1986


Vivisection is a social evil because if it advances human knowledge, it does so at the expense of human character. ~George Bernard Shaw


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't.... The pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. ~Mark Twain


The basis of all animal rights should be the Golden Rule: we should treat them as we would wish them to treat us, were any other species in our dominant position. ~Christine Stevens


If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth - beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals - would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals? ~Attributed to George Bernard Shaw


When a man wants to murder a tiger he calls it sport; when the tiger wants to murder him he calls it ferocity. ~George Bernard Shaw


The animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours, they move finished and complete, gifted with extension of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren; they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendor and travail of the earth. ~Henry Beston, The Outermost House, 1928


I abhor vivisection with my whole soul. All the scientific discoveries stained with innocent blood I count as of no consequence. ~Mahatma Gandhi


I had bought two male chimps from a primate colony in Holland. They lived next to each other in separate cages for several months before I used one as a [heart] donor. When we put him to sleep in his cage in preparation for the operation, he chattered and cried incessantly. We attached no significance to this, but it must have made a great impression on his companion, for when we removed the body to the operating room, the other chimp wept bitterly and was inconsolable for days. The incident made a deep impression on me. I vowed never again to experiment with such sensitive creatures. ~Christian Barnard, surgeon


Terms like that, "Humane Society," are devised with people like me in mind, who don't care to dwell on what happens to the innocent. ~Barbara Kingsolver, Animal Dreams


I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers. ~Author Unknown


Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child as it is to the caterpillar. ~Bradley Millar


A Robin Redbreast in a cage
Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
~William Blake, Auguries of Innocence


If a ferret bites you it is nearly always your own fault. ~Phil Drabble


The human spirit is not dead. It lives on in secret.... It has come to believe that compassion, in which all ethics must take root, can only attain its full breadth and depth if it embraces all living creatures and does not limit itself to mankind. ~Albert Schweitzer, Novel Peace Prize address, "The Problem of Peace in the World Today"


People must have renounced, it seems to me, all natural intelligence to dare to advance that animals are but animated machines.... It appears to me, besides, that [such people] can never have observed with attention the character of animals, not to have distinguished among them the different voices of need, of suffering, of joy, of pain, of love, of anger, and of all their affections. It would be very strange that they should express so well what they could not feel. ~Voltaire, Traité sur la tolerance


Zoos are becoming facsimiles - or perhaps caricatures - of how animals once were in their natural habitat. If the right policies toward nature were pursued, we would need no zoos at all. ~Michael Fox, Sierra, November-December 1990


The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality. ~Schopenhauer


Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison


To a man whose mind is free there is something even more intolerable in the sufferings of animals than in the sufferings of man. For with the latter it is at least admitted that suffering is evil and that the man who causes it is a criminal. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered every day without a shadow of remorse. If any man were to refer to it, he would be thought ridiculous. And that is the unpardonable crime. ~Romain Rolland, Nobel Prize 1915


When it comes to having a central nervous system, and the ability to feel pain, hunger, and thirst, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. ~Ingrid Newkirk


Very little of the great cruelty shown by men can really be attributed to cruel instinct. Most of it comes from thoughtlessness or inherited habit. The roots of cruelty, therefore, are not so much strong as widespread. But the time must come when inhumanity protected by custom and thoughtlessness will succumb before humanity championed by thought. Let us work that this time may come. ~Albert Schweitzer


Deer hunting would be fine sport, if only the deer had guns. ~William S. Gilbert


Because the heart beats under a covering of hair, of fur, feathers, or wings, it is, for that reason, to be of no account? ~Jean Paul Richter


God made all the creatures and gave them our love and our fear,
To give sign, we and they are His children, one family here.
~Robert Browning


Deliberate cruelty to our defenceless and beautiful little cousins is surely one of the meanest and most detestable vices of which a human being can be guilty. ~William Ralph Inge


The indifference, callousness and contempt that so many people exhibit toward animals is evil first because it results in great suffering in animals, and second because it results in an incalculably great impoverishment of the human spirit. All education should be directed toward the refinement of the individual's sensibilities in relation not only to one's fellow humans everywhere, but to all things whatsoever. ~Ashley Montague


Wear your own skin. ~As seen on a shirt at pangeaveg.com


There will be no justice as long as man will stand with a knife or with a gun and destroy those who are weaker than he is. ~Isaac Bashevis Singer


The life spark in my eyes is in no way different than the life spark in the eyes of any other sentient being. ~Michael Stepaniak, quoted in Joanne Stepaniak, The Vegan Sourcebook, 1998


We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living things, humanity will not find peace. ~Albert Schweitzer, The Philosophy of Civilization


If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men. ~St. Francis of Assisi
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:16 PM
 
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Why not? All sentient beings should have rights which protect them from abuse. This rights v. welfare argument is a smoke screen--kind of like "separate but equal." The simple fact is that most people who are against animal rights either don't understand the legal concept of "rights" (and it has nothing to do with giving animals human rights such as the right to vote, for chrissakes) and/or their conception of being human is profoundly dependent on the oppression of other species. And in order to continue to believe that other species should have no rights, one must continue to believe that their interests--their capacity for emotional experience such as love, betrayal, jealousy, etc.; their capacity for play; their strong familial bonds; their bodily integrity (not wanting to be viciously physically abused, just as we wish not to be)--don't matter. There is no logical reason why they shouldn't matter. It would just be extremely inconvenient for them to matter.
and #293 also - bravo!
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:18 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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LOL...please keep digging...it is simply illustrating to those lurking the position of the leftist animal rights groups.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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You leaf-licking eco-freaks first declare Polar Bears endangered, when they are not. Then you sue the oil companies using the polar bear endangerment nonsense to prevent them from providing more domestic oil, so we have to import more oil from terrorist sponsoring nations.

Typical liberal freaks, all they do is enable terrorists so they can kill more Americans. Your collective heads are buried so far up your posterior you can't see diddly-squat. That was the real purpose by electing our Affirmative Action President, to get more Americans killed.
What's the matter: your annual check from the government being threatened?

Patent lies. The polar bears are absolutely endangered.

We wouldn't have to import foreign oil if we had alternative energy systems in place.

Pick up a primer on ecology so you can actually learn something.

And stop listening to people like Sarah Palin, for chrissakes. Who knows absolutely NOTHING about how the world works, on any level.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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LOL...please keep digging...it is simply illustrating to those lurking the position of the leftist animal rights groups.
Sorry you feel the need to politicize basic kindness, and reject it as a "left wing" trait (though appreciate that you recognize it as such). But since you do, where are the right-wing groups that concern themselves with animals? Besides the gun and meat lobbies I mean.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:29 PM
 
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So if I go shoot a deer during season, does that mean the deer's family can sue me for taking away their family member? NO, cause animals DO NOT have rights.

How many wild animals do you see down at the police station pressing charges against other animals for rape or murder? None, cause animals DO NOT have rights.

To have rights, means they are equals, and legally that is incorrect.
Clearly, you do not understand the legal concept of rights. Furthermore, that concept is devised by humans--so it is always open to reconfiguration. Animal rights is not about the right to vote or sue. Nor is it about legally defining animals as humans (although did you know that corporations are legally defined as humans?). It is about redefinining and expanding the concept of "rights" itself, in light of modern knowledge about sentient beings.

About logic: The fact that someone does not have rights does not mean that they shouldn't have rights.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:32 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sorry you feel the need to politicize basic kindness, and reject it as a "left wing" trait (though appreciate that you recognize it as such). But since you do, where are the right-wing groups that concern themselves with animals? Besides the gun and meat lobbies I mean.
Animals having equal rights with humans is what your fellow leftists believe...

Think about that and how utterly stupid it is.

Of course don't be eating a ham or turkey sandwich at the time.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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Here are some multi-dimensional legal perspectives.

http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/80-3/Case.pdf (broken link)

Does everyone remember the bunny biting the b***h in the movie Pets or Meat?

Shouldn't bite the hand that kills you?

Are you a pet? Or, do YOU have rights?

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Old 02-08-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Well, I've done my part. I find it utterly disgusting to have no regard for God's beautiful creations while claiming to be a devout Christian. It also demonstrates pea-sized brain at work, that if over-population in an area is an issue, inhumane killing is not the only solution unless one enjoys being a sick person.
All life is "God's beautiful creations." A human baby, a pup, Caribou, moose wolf, a willow tree, spruce, cabbage, lettuce, potato, and so forth. Some of you have no problems with the killing of a baby, but go bunkers when a wolf is killed.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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^^ Not that you'll miss any of the barking lunatics who don't come to your state anyway. This seems to be a mutually beneficial arrangement.
These groups are based in Washington, DC, but have offices in Alaska. The Alaska Constitution allows for anybody to collect a certain number of signatures from Alaska residents for the creations of ballot measures. But since Alaskans are perhaps the most independent voters in the nation, they don't take well the outsider's incursions into Alaska. That's the primary reason why the last ballot measure backed by these animal rights groups failed miserably at the ballot box.
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