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Old 02-06-2009, 06:08 AM
 
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Fearmongering and talking down to the american tax payers does not a good speech make. The fact that he had to get out and actually try to sell this mess should be enough to make most people wonder what's wrong with it. And why the rush to force this thing through? A trillion dollar spending bill should be approached with seriousness and concern that it gets the job done. Why can't it be fine tuned for another week or two after everybody has had their say, even the taxpayers? Why does it have to be a partisan issue and fought over? It just makes sense to make it the best bill it can be and revise it where it falls short or is excessive.
Obama has got to understand that the taxpayers have been burned by the government one too many times and the time for worn out failed policies has passed. If he doesn't get that, he needs to rethink whether he wants to really obstruct change and keep moving backward. All he'll do is alienate more voters.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:12 AM
 
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I can't tell you how many times I said "nothing new under the Sun" during the campaign. I guess the "hope" Obama was running on was that he hoped no one would ask what was in the bill before it got rammed down America's collective throats. Clinton did a lot of the same things that Obama is doing now, and we all know how that turned out. Obama sux!
yes that sucky Clinton who left us with a surplus and perhaps you conservatives wouldn't know what one looks like since many of you have never lived with one. The last time we had a surplus besides Clinton? Oh that would be JFK another Democrat!
I love how all of sudden the right is concerned with "pork" & "spending" when it comes to the domestic economy yet have no problems spending my money in Iraq. Reagan & Dubya spent their way into hell.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:16 AM
 
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here is a good list of what is going where.

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
$300 million for grants to combat violence against women
$2 billion for federal child-care block grants
$6 billion for university building projects
$15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
$4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion for “youths” up to the age of 24
$1 billion for community-development block grants
$4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
$650 million for digital-TV coupons; $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations
$15 billion for business-loss carry-backs
$145 billion for “Making Work Pay” tax credits
$83 billion for the earned income credit
$150 million for the Smithsonian
$34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
$500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities
$44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters
$350 million for Agriculture Department computers
$88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building
$448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters
$600 million to convert the federal auto fleet to hybrids
$450 million for NASA (carve-out for “climate-research missions”)
$600 million for NOAA (carve-out for “climate modeling”)
$1 billion for the Census Bureau
$89 billion for Medicaid
$30 billion for COBRA insurance extension
$36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits
$20 billion for food stamps
4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
$850 million for Amtrak
$87 million for a polar icebreaking ship
$1.7 billion for the National Park System
$55 million for Historic Preservation Fund
$7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”
$150 million for agricultural-commodity purchases
$150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”
$2 billion for renewable-energy research ($400 million for global-warming research)
$2 billion for a “clean coal” power plant in Illinois
$6.2 billion for the Weatherization Assistance Program
$3.5 billion for energy-efficiency and conservation block grants
$3.4 billion for the State Energy Program
$200 million for state and local electric-transport projects
$300 million for energy-efficient-appliance rebate programs
$400 million for hybrid cars for state and local governments
$1 billion for the manufacturing of advanced batteries
$1.5 billion for green-technology loan guarantees
$8 billion for innovative-technology loan-guarantee program
$2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects
$4.5 billion for electricity grid
$79 billion for State Fiscal Stabilization Fund

do we really need all of this? seems to me that more than 60% of this damn thing is pork, nothing but pet projects that have been rejected in the past.
Really sad to see. Very little of the above will actually create jobs. If this is Obama's idea of change, then he needs to look up the meaning in a dictionary. All the above is just more of the same spending that has been done for the last 8 years under the Bush admin and before that under the Clinton admin. Spend, spend, spend and put the US deeper in debt.....closer to economic collapse. This isn't "change" at all.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:42 AM
 
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You like to insult people from Kentucky? It's "speech" dumb ***.
The point is that while how good it was as a speach is being questioned, most would agree it was a great speech. Not sure what the OP thought about the speech. Can tell he didn't like the speach what ever that was. Is it a regional food?
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:43 AM
 
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Fearmongering and talking down to the american tax payers does not a good speech make. The fact that he had to get out and actually try to sell this mess should be enough to make most people wonder what's wrong with it. And why the rush to force this thing through? A trillion dollar spending bill should be approached with seriousness and concern that it gets the job done. Why can't it be fine tuned for another week or two after everybody has had their say, even the taxpayers? Why does it have to be a partisan issue and fought over? It just makes sense to make it the best bill it can be and revise it where it falls short or is excessive.
Obama has got to understand that the taxpayers have been burned by the government one too many times and the time for worn out failed policies has passed. If he doesn't get that, he needs to rethink whether he wants to really obstruct change and keep moving backward. All he'll do is alienate more voters.
Hmmmm when did he alienate you, how long have you been anti Obama. When did it first begin?
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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I ask again, where is all this money going to come from? The money printing press?

Does the "Weimar Republic" ring a bell with any of you "U" degree holders?
I think Obama believes he can press a button and out comes a trillion dollars. When that doesn't solve the debt problem, he believes he can press the button again and there's another trillion dollars. After a few times of Obama pressing that button, it's going to start adding up to be real money.

Well -- that's what Obama thinks. He doesn't realize that "creating" all that money will make it worthless. Obviously there's no way it can ever be repaid, it will be extremely massive debt thrown after already massive debt.
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:43 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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And, also, the Republicans want the stimulus to fail. They are going to do everything in their power to take down Obama, throw all the roadblocks necessary. They are the worst excuse for Americans I have ever seen.
Sad to think your students might actually listen to you....
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obviously there's no way it can ever be repaid, it will be extremely massive debt thrown after already massive debt.
Who's going to buy more of our debt?
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:58 AM
 
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I think Obama believes he can press a button and out comes a trillion dollars. When that doesn't solve the debt problem, he believes he can press the button again and there's another trillion dollars. After a few times of Obama pressing that button, it's going to start adding up to be real money.

Well -- that's what Obama thinks. He doesn't realize that "creating" all that money will make it worthless. Obviously there's no way it can ever be repaid, it will be extremely massive debt thrown after already massive debt.
True.

I'm noticing an attitude about Obama that is eerily reminiscent of Bush.

Bush was very headstrong and negotiated very little. All based on his faith supposedly.

Obama is very headstrong and while he talks a good game about bringing people from both sides to the table, his actions don't show it. He's wanting this "porkulus" passed.....period. I get the feeling Obama thinks when he wants something, people are suppose to simply follow and not ask questions. As much as he may want this porkulus bill, this is Amercia and he has to be willing to negotiate. He has to sell the bill to America honestly, not with his flowery rhetoric. He has had to work and get much of the pork cut. Americans are watching him closely and will hold him accountable. The magic wave of his hand that he used in the campaign, will not work now that he is president.
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Old 02-06-2009, 08:00 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Who's going to buy more of our debt?
Why the same who bought all the debt that got us into this problem....the Chinese.

I am sure they are more than willing to throw good money after bad...
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